Corbyn, Quoting Shelley.. Options

[SirWilliam]

ABC. Anyone but Corbyn. I’m not too bothered and am not too interested in party politics.

Labour are unelectable under Corbyn and the Tory front runners to replace Mother T include one Chris Grayling. And you think Labour have troubles. Vince Cable may get the big job yet.

[je suis Charlie]

Labour are unelectable under Corbyn and the Tory front runners to replace Mother T include one Chris Grayling. And you think Labour have troubles. Vince Cable may get the big job yet.

Might not be a problem soon,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/f...rm-centre-group

[newres]

Labour are unelectable under Corbyn and the Tory front runners to replace Mother T include one Chris Grayling. And you think Labour have troubles. Vince Cable may get the big job yet.

Both parties are a mess. If Labour ditched Corbyn, they’d win the next election by a landslide.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Both parties are a mess. If Labour ditched Corbyn, they’d win the next election by a landslide.

I don't believe that for a moment. Huge disconnect between London and rest of the Country. A new centre party with a charasmatic and fiscally astute leader would win a landslide. If they had proper funding.

[newres]

I don't believe that for a moment. Huge disconnect between London and rest of the Country. A new centre party with a charasmatic and fiscally astute leader would win a landslide. If they had proper funding.

But there isn’t a centre party and Brexiteers like to believe there’s a disconnect but it makes the mistake of thinking everyone cares as much about Brexit as they do. People voted Brexit for many reasons (including giving Cameron a bloody nose) and if Brexit was so important in the minds of voters, why didn’t May win a landslide at the last election? If it was Hilary Benn instead of Corbyn, the Tories would be destroyed.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

But there isn’t a centre party and Brexiteers like to believe there’s a disconnect but it makes the mistake of thinking everyone cares as much about Brexit as they do. People voted Brexit for many reasons (including giving Cameron a bloody nose) and if Brexit was so important in the minds of voters, why didn’t May win a landslide at the last election? If it was Hilary Benn instead of Corbyn, the Tories would be destroyed.

The reason for Mays failure at the last GE? Because May is actually for remain whereas Corbyn is Brexit through and through.

[newres]

The reason for Mays failure at the last GE? Because May is actually for remain whereas Corbyn is Brexit through and through.

Her mantra then was "no deal is a better than a bad deal" and what happened to UKIP? History doesn't support your interpretation. Labour are pro EU. 90% of the membership are remain and Corbyn voted to remain.

[SirWilliam]

Her mantra then was "no deal is a better than a bad deal" and what happened to UKIP? History doesn't support your interpretation. Labour are pro EU. 90% of the membership are remain and Corbyn voted to remain.

90% of the membership may be pro EU but a vast majority of Labour voters voted leave and this the conundrum facing the party. Corbyn knows this but it is the paid up members that are keeping him in a job and they are more interested in pushing their left wing agenda than ditching it in favour of forming a government. All he had to say was that Labour would support the Chequers agreement and it would now all be done and dusted and it would show that he was a man of principle that put country first, but oh no he sits on the fence like humpty dumpty in the knowledge that it may hurt whichever side he falls.

[Turin Machine]

Her mantra then was "no deal is a better than a bad deal" and what happened to UKIP? History doesn't support your interpretation. Labour are pro EU. 90% of the membership are remain and Corbyn voted to remain.

Ukip existed to get us out of Europe, job done. And Corbyn hates Europe, always has done, wants us out

[Strafin]

90% of the membership may be pro EU but a vast majority of Labour voters voted leave and this the conundrum facing the party. Corbyn knows this but it is the paid up members that are keeping him in a job and they are more interested in pushing their left wing agenda than ditching it in favour of forming a government. All he had to say was that Labour would support the Chequers agreement and it would now all be done and dusted and it would show that he was a man of principle that put country first, but oh no he sits on the fence like humpty dumpty in the knowledge that it may hurt whichever side he falls.

Being pro Brexit is the opposite of putting the country first. He is ina tough place but I agree that he should have done a lot more than he has.

[newres]

90% of the membership may be pro EU but a vast majority of Labour voters voted leave and this the conundrum facing the party. Corbyn knows this but it is the paid up members that are keeping him in a job and they are more interested in pushing their left wing agenda than ditching it in favour of forming a government. All he had to say was that Labour would support the Chequers agreement and it would now all be done and dusted and it would show that he was a man of principle that put country first, but oh no he sits on the fence like humpty dumpty in the knowledge that it may hurt whichever side he falls.

You can't blame Labour for the failure of May's deal. The blame for that sits squarely at her door for calling an election and at ERG's & DUP's door for not supporting her. The delicious irony if Brexit fails because of ERG.

[newres]

Being pro Brexit is the opposite of putting the country first. He is ina tough place but I agree that he should have done a lot more than he has.

He's been hopeless and he's out of step with the party.

[Turin Machine]

Labour haven't had a decent leader since john Smith.

[SirWilliam]

Labour haven't had a decent leader since john Smith.

I'll second that. Indeed it has got progressively worse and considering Blair's legacy that's a pretty bold statement.

[je suis Charlie]

Labour haven't had a decent leader since john Smith.

If John Smith had survived we would now be looking at a completely different political landscape, Labour would have carried the electorate with it and his legacy would still be evident today. A great loss to both the party and the country as a whole.

[newres]

Labour haven't had a decent leader since john Smith.

Define “decent leader”.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Define “decent leader”.

Clement Attlee
Winston Churchill
Margaret Thatcher
David Lloyd George

These are the 4 that top most lists.
No one in the last 30 years...

[newres]

Clement Attlee
Winston Churchill
Margaret Thatcher
David Lloyd George

These are the 4 that top most lists.
No one in the last 30 years...

They are examples, not a definition.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

They are examples, not a definition.

Semantics dear boy. You asked for a definition and I gave you examples. Draw your conclusion from the examples I gave. If you can.🤣

[newres]

Semantics dear boy. You asked for a definition and I gave you examples. Draw your conclusion from the examples I gave. If you can.🤣

Don’t be daft.

The context was the statement that there hadn’t been a decent leader since John Smith. In that context we’ve had a Labour leader that won three general elections. I’d say by any definition that would qualify Blair as an extremely successful leader. If it wasn’t for Iraq he would have been an extremely successful PM. Whatever your politics I’d say the statement about Labour not a having decent leader since Smith is a bit ropey.