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post Feb 7 2017, 05:00 PM
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post Feb 9 2017, 02:12 AM
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"A former business minister diagnosed with cancer has left hospital to vote for the government's Brexit bill.Conservative Nick Boles, who is undergoing chemotherapy for a tumour in his head, said he felt "pretty grim" but he wanted to "represent my constituents" in Grantham and Stamford."

Thank you sir.

Meanwhile in other news, a spokesman for the shadow home secretary has said "Ms Abbott has been recommended to the hospital at the end of the yellow brick rd where the chief surgeon known as the 'wizard' is quoted as saying "if I can give the tin man a heart and the scarecrow a brain, I'm sure I can give Ms Abbot a spine. This reporter for one certainly hopes so! Goodnight.


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post Feb 10 2017, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 9 2017, 02:12 AM) *
"A former business minister diagnosed with cancer has left hospital to vote for the government's Brexit bill.Conservative Nick Boles, who is undergoing chemotherapy for a tumour in his head, said he felt "pretty grim" but he wanted to "represent my constituents" in Grantham and Stamford.


His constituents are represented bby a brainless idiot - if this were going to be a close vote there might have been some excuse for this idiotic behaviour, but not in this case. Still if it kills him it would at least give them a chance of electing someone with a bit more common sense.
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post Feb 10 2017, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 9 2017, 02:12 AM) *
Meanwhile in other news, a spokesman for the shadow home secretary has said "Ms Abbott has been recommended to the hospital at the end of the yellow brick rd where the chief surgeon known as the 'wizard' is quoted as saying "if I can give the tin man a heart and the scarecrow a brain, I'm sure I can give Ms Abbot a spine. This reporter for one certainly hopes so! Goodnight.

Way to represent your constituents. Go you!
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post Feb 21 2017, 05:49 PM
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Oh dear! I am just in the process of planning a new patio and was considering using Rivar.
Oh well, Pinnocks here I come!! tongue.gif
As for the "artwork" on the Robin Hood...... roll on Brexit! laugh.gif
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post Feb 21 2017, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 21 2017, 05:49 PM) *
Oh dear! I am just in the process of planning a new patio and was considering using Rivar.
Oh well, Pinnocks here I come!! tongue.gif
As for the "artwork" on the Robin Hood...... roll on Brexit! laugh.gif
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It's news to me that you have to import rusty steel! rolleyes.gif


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post Feb 21 2017, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Feb 21 2017, 08:56 PM) *
It's news to me that you have to import rusty steel! rolleyes.gif

Or concrete to make reconstituted stone patio slabs!
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post Feb 21 2017, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 21 2017, 05:49 PM) *
As for the "artwork" on the Robin Hood...... roll on Brexit! laugh.gif

Now that we're running down the library service we could have a good old book burning too.


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post Feb 21 2017, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 21 2017, 07:34 PM) *
Now that we're running down the library service we could have a good old book burning too.


I agree. Can we start with religious "literature" of all faiths???? And replace them with science books???
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post Feb 21 2017, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 21 2017, 08:48 PM) *
I agree. Can we start with religious "literature" of all faiths???? And replace them with science books???

Turn the Churches into temples of reason, baen done before.


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post Feb 21 2017, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 21 2017, 08:48 PM) *
I agree. Can we start with religious "literature" of all faiths???? And replace them with science books???


Umm, this is the science that can't decide about global warming is it?


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post Feb 21 2017, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 21 2017, 09:29 PM) *
Turn the Churches into temples of reason, baen done before.


Yes, we still have Oxford!


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post Feb 21 2017, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 21 2017, 10:16 PM) *
Umm, this is the science that can't decide about global warming is it?


Err.... Yes they have.
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post Feb 22 2017, 06:29 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 21 2017, 10:35 PM) *
Err.... Yes they have.

Decided yes. Scientificly proven it's man made; no.
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post Feb 22 2017, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2017, 06:29 AM) *
Decided yes. Scientificly proven it's man made; no.

See for example here.

Scientifically proven that AGW is real, yes. Of course that doesn't mean that AGW is real because other data may yet emerge that contradict it and other theories may yet emerge to better explain all of what's observed - Newton was actually wrong about gravity though his theory was still good enough to land men on the moon - but there is a clear consensus amongst scientists that AGW is real.


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post Feb 22 2017, 10:30 PM
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Ah, scientific proof. Like Cold Dark Matter, we can't see it, we can't detect it but its there, because it fits a theory" Bit like the theory that Bumblebees can't fly. pseudoscience.


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post Feb 22 2017, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 22 2017, 10:30 PM) *
Ah, scientific proof. Like Cold Dark Matter, we can't see it, we can't detect it but its there, because it fits a theory" Bit like the theory that Bumblebees can't fly. pseudoscience.


I don't think its rocket science to realise that human beings are f**king the planet up. Global warming is real. Science proves it. Though they dont help themselves sometimes by doctering data.
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post Feb 22 2017, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 22 2017, 10:30 PM) *
Ah, scientific proof. Like Cold Dark Matter, we can't see it, we can't detect it but its there, because it fits a theory" Bit like the theory that Bumblebees can't fly. pseudoscience.

You can't see air, or magnetism, or radio waves, or neutrinos, or time, but you'd agree they all exist? It's the same with dark matter. General Relativity was spectacularly successful at explaining why the orbit of Mercury didn't agree with Newton, it predicted gravitational lensing which astronomers then went away and found, and it explained the creep of atomic clocks in orbiting satellites, so it's reasonable to suppose that for example if the expansion of the observable universe disagrees with GR then the theory isn't wrong it's just predicting something that's not particularly easy to understand and that we hadn't expected to find, so you're wrong about dark matter being undetectable because the accelerating expansion of the universe is giving it away - if GR is right, which it might not be - that's how science works.

And of course no scientist would ever suggest that a bumblebee can't fly when you've only got to look and see they can.


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post Feb 22 2017, 11:41 PM
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And what about the discrepancies between the predictions of the particle cold dark matter paradigm and the actual observations of galaxies? Lots of theory but little that is acceptable! Besides, many of the theoretical effects could also be resolved using modified Newtonian dynamics, no need for cdm.


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My understanding is that consensus doesn't make something fact. That is to say, AGW is not a science fact (or theory as they might call it), but I find it hard to believe Man is not affecting the climate. A gift from Britain to remember us by! LOL

I understand bees wouldn't fly if they flew like we thought they did, but they don't.

Modern science is only a few hundred years old, so I would imagine there's some way to go yet, but I do wonder if in 2 thousand years time we will look back and giggle at what we thought. Unless we are getting thicker of course!
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