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Halal, why should we put up with this?, If fox hunting with dogs is outlawed, why not Halal? |
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Jan 2 2012, 11:06 AM
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The answer to the question posed in the title of this post is - We shouldn't and I'm amazed that we do. Ban halal now in this country at least. (Although I doubt this will happen as it will "offend"a religious minority) (too many people are "easily offended" I think!) As many have already said - If you don't like it go elsewhere. (And before you ask, no, I don't think we should ban motorcycling Old Harry!! )
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Jan 2 2012, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 2 2012, 11:06 AM) If you don't like it go elsewhere As RB pointed out Kosher meat is prepared in the same way. Are you now suggesting that all Jews "go elsewhere"?
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Jan 2 2012, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Jan 2 2012, 01:25 PM) As RB pointed out Kosher meat is prepared in the same way. Are you now suggesting that all Jews "go elsewhere"? I think that all should accept that these methods of killing animals are unacceptable to the majority in this country and so should not expect it to happen here. So yes, if you absolutely insist on an animal having its throat cut while conscious then go elsewhere where, for some reason, it IS acceptable.
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Jan 2 2012, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 2 2012, 11:42 AM) I think you're missing the point.!! I totally agree, we should not be making exceptions for ANY minority. Call them what you will, but the fact is we have banned so many things of such minor importance, yet we still allow this shti to go unheeded. OH DEAR, we upset muslims,jews etc for what amounts to fairy tales. I make no apology of any degree. If you don't like it, either comply to the wishes of the vast majority of decent minded people or just P off. I'm sure that if a referendum were to be held, halal would be destined for the bin as it so rightly should.
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Jan 2 2012, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jan 2 2012, 05:01 PM) So you guys support animal cruelty then? I'm X2lls - let's have a vote on it. I don't care if you're Jewish or Muslim, or christian, cruelty for cruelty's sake is wrong. Also Stephen Fry is quite obviously not a Jew, not that it matters. I doubt anyone supports animal cruelty as much as some people think that others are attempting to do a bit of ethnic minority bashing disguised as animal welfare. I think halal and kosha meat should be outlawed, but I also feel 'our' attitudes to animal welfare is not glowing either.
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Jan 2 2012, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 2 2012, 05:38 PM) I doubt anyone supports animal cruelty as much as some people think that others are attempting to do a bit of ethnic minority bashing disguised as animal welfare. I think halal and kosha meat should be outlawed, but I also feel 'our' attitudes to animal welfare is not glowing either. I find it quite offensive that I can be against animal suffering and then you come on here and call me a racist. The two are not linked. Halal meat is to do with religion, and whilst I understand people following theirs, whichever one it is, I think it is wrong to enforce it upon other people.
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Jan 2 2012, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jan 2 2012, 06:00 PM) I find it quite offensive that I can be against animal suffering and then you come on here and call me a racist. I find it disappointing that you don't have good comprehension. Please show me where I accuse you of being a racist?' I was careful to be neutral with my argument and was simply rationalising the debate. QUOTE (Strafin @ Jan 2 2012, 06:00 PM) The two are not linked. Halal meat is to do with religion, and whilst I understand people following theirs, whichever one it is, I think it is wrong to enforce it upon other people. Where did this come from; I am not forced to eat halal meat (as far as I know).
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Jan 2 2012, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jan 2 2012, 06:36 PM) Your quote "I doubt anyone supports animal cruelty as much as some people think that others are attempting to do a bit of ethnic minority bashing disguised as animal welfare" is basically trying to slur those with a different view in one of the most vulgar ways. I do not think it is down to me not having "good comprehension". I was making an observation that is apparent. I did not accuse you of being a racist as you said I did. It is not up to you to have good comprehension, but not having any and accusing people of something they did not do will make you look stupid, as you have done here.
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Jan 2 2012, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jan 2 2012, 05:01 PM) So you guys support animal cruelty then? I'm X2lls - let's have a vote on it. I don't care if you're Jewish or Muslim, or christian, cruelty for cruelty's sake is wrong. Halal / Kosher slaughtering methods are not cruelty for cruelty's sake - it's for religion's sake. QUOTE (Strafin @ Jan 2 2012, 05:01 PM) Also Stephen Fry is quite obviously not a Jew, not that it matters. Stephen Fry's mother is Jewish - making him Jewish by definition (it's the mother who counts to Jews). He is a member of the British Jews for Justice for Palestinians campaign. However, he is also an outspoken critic of organised religion. He certainly would not be forced out of the UK by a ban on Kosher meat. Nor would many other Jews, many of whom do not bother oberving the full Kosher regime.
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Jan 2 2012, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jan 2 2012, 06:54 PM) Stephen Fry's mother is Jewish - making him Jewish by definition (it's the mother who counts to Jews). Not if you denounce your religion.
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Jan 2 2012, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jan 2 2012, 06:54 PM) Stephen Fry's mother is Jewish - making him Jewish by definition My Mother is a Baptist - does that make me one by definition?
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