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Aug 8 2018, 07:02 AM
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Why on earth should Boris Johnson apologise for what he said about the burka?
It covers the wearers face and so is displaying an arrogant rudeness to anyone the wearer needs to communicate with. There is no religious requirement at all to cover the face and in some cases, it's actually symbolic of repression. On top of this, at this time of heightened national security, it is difficult to identify wearers and, just like the full face hoodie, ought to be restricted.
Some seeking to integrate into our community, with cultures and practices very different to those here in the UK might find this disturbing. However, integration is a two way street and arguably, this is one of the existing communities 'lines in the sand'.
Stifling debate as the PM clearly seeks to do is foolhardy and likely to create even more discontent and tension in both communities than there is already.
For me, this continual denial of real debate on crucial matters of difference is far more damaging to democracy than 'fake' news.
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Aug 10 2018, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 10 2018, 09:35 AM) Thing is though, if you ban face coverings you will have to remove your motorcycle helmet to do all sorts of things. How about a scarf over your mouth when it's cold? Same deal. And that's why we can't ban face coverings. But we can make it unacceptable through persuasion and reasoned debates and discussions. Or just ban religion. Except it has nothing to do with religion rather it has to do with men holding medieval attitudes towards women.
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Aug 11 2018, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 10 2018, 11:56 PM) Except it has nothing to do with religion rather it has to do with men holding medieval attitudes towards women. And there by lies the crux of the matter. Instead of disappearing up there own backsides in an effort to embrace multiculturalism the lefty lovies should be outraged that women in this country are being indoctrinated from an early age to adopt practices that are abhorrent to a civilised society. This is not simply about the questionable dress sense but the whole doctrine that requires females to be chattels of the male. Little doubt someone will wheel out a quote by an islamic female saying it is her choice, but I would put my pension on her childhood not being as enjoyable as most children's should be.
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Aug 11 2018, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 11 2018, 11:50 AM) And there by lies the crux of the matter. Instead of disappearing up there own backsides in an effort to embrace multiculturalism the lefty lovies should be outraged that women in this country are being indoctrinated from an early age to adopt practices that are abhorrent to a civilised society. This is not simply about the questionable dress sense but the whole doctrine that requires females to be chattels of the male. Little doubt someone will wheel out a quote by an islamic female saying it is her choice, but I would put my pension on her childhood not being as enjoyable as most children's should be. However my understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it. I appreciate that isn’t the case everywhere and I would be against anyone being forced to wear it. Have you evidence that this is the norm here?
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Aug 11 2018, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 11 2018, 07:20 PM) However my understanding is that in this country Muslim women choose to wear it. I appreciate that isn’t the case everywhere and I would be against anyone being forced to wear it. Have you evidence that this is the norm here? I think the evidence lies in the fact that those who wear the full burka are rarely seen in anything else. Now we all know that women would change their wardrobe daily if they could and to be seen in the same attire two days running almost a sin, yet there is a section of women that choose to wear a drab clothing irrespective of weather, work, or leisure because of their male counterparts insistence. When I meet one of these ladies just once walking down the street in a polka dot mini dress I will accept they have free will but we all know that is not going to happen.
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Aug 11 2018, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 11 2018, 08:19 PM) I think the evidence lies in the fact that those who wear the full burka are rarely seen in anything else. Now we all know that women would change their wardrobe daily if they could and to be seen in the same attire two days running almost a sin, yet there is a section of women that choose to wear a drab clothing irrespective of weather, work, or leisure because of their male counterparts insistence. When I meet one of these ladies just once walking down the street in a polka dot mini dress I will accept they have free will but we all know that is not going to happen. Stop making sense. Newres will hate it and resort to calling you a racist. I work with an ex Muslim girl who renounced her faith (saw the light you may say). She still has contact with her mother but her brothers and father have not spoken to her once since that day. She actually embraces the fact they don't and realises it is a medieval practice. Shes just lucky that nothing has "happened" to her. But you go Newres.. Embrace the devil.
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Aug 11 2018, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 11 2018, 08:33 PM) Stop making sense. Newres will hate it and resort to calling you a racist. I work with an ex Muslim girl who renounced her faith (saw the light you may say). She still has contact with her mother but her brothers and father have not spoken ro her once since that day. She actually embraces the fact they don't and realises it is a medieval practice. Shes just lucky that nothinhg has "happened" to her. But you go Newres.. Embrace the devil. Making sense? So if he sees one these fillies in a burkha out in a short polka dot dress he’ll believe. Are you two actually allowed out on your own?
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Aug 11 2018, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 11 2018, 08:35 PM) Making sense? So if he sees one these fillies in a burkha out in a short polka dot dress he’ll believe. Are you two actually allowed out on your own? Funnily enough yes. Are you? And sorry but I take offence to the word "fillies". That is a horse that is used for breeding. Are you comparing muslim women to breeding animals? Thats disgusting. Hang your head in shame.
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