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post Apr 12 2019, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 12 2019, 04:28 PM) *
Show me a poll with a decent sample (say 25000) that has data spread evenly through the demographic and evenly spread geographically (with weighting for the density of population) and that isn't being run by a polling firm with an "agenda" and I may believe you..think you may struggle though
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What are you wibbling about?
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post Apr 12 2019, 06:08 PM
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Brexit: Boris Johnson 'wrong on no-deal polling claim' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555
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post Apr 12 2019, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 07:08 PM) *
What are you wibbling about?

You really don't understand anything . It's very sad. Poor deluded soul. Polls are useless. Why not see the "evidence" of ahem "Polls" prior to Brexit and the U.S. election..they mean Jack sh1t. 😂
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post Apr 12 2019, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 07:08 PM) *
What are you wibbling about?

And do you know why???? It's liberal idiots that stop people having any "view" that is not politically correct. Then you end up with people voting how they actually feel in the ballot box but not discussing worries they may have..
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post Apr 12 2019, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 12 2019, 07:53 PM) *
And do you know why???? It's liberal idiots that stop people having any "view" that is not politically correct. Then you end up with people voting how they actually feel in the ballot box but not discussing worries they may have..

Is it a rash “down below”? laugh.gif
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post Apr 12 2019, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 12 2019, 07:58 PM) *
Is it a rash “down below”? laugh.gif

I wouldn't know chap. Guess you must be an expert on STDs... what do you normally do? 🤣
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post Apr 13 2019, 05:39 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 12 2019, 03:35 PM) *
Oh, and you spelt sovereignty wrongly as well

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 12 2019, 03:35 PM) *
Not what the poles and pundits say. As for your memory, we're still waiting for that viral post. Forget much?

Oh and you spelt "polls" wrongly! tongue.gif (Unless you meant our Eastern European friends in which case it should be a capital "P"!)
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post Apr 13 2019, 07:20 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 13 2019, 06:39 AM) *
Oh and you spelt "polls" wrongly! tongue.gif (Unless you meant our Eastern European friends in which case it should be a capital "P"!)

😂I'm a gonna claim newres. or, the phat phinger excuse. 🤣


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Isn’t it obvious? She’s an uppity negro.
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post Apr 15 2019, 07:53 AM
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Some of those polls are based on very little to be fair. One of them showed that they had asked 2000 people, that's really not representative at all. The one that newres shared seems to be the most accurate with a larger section of our society getting asked. However do polls matter? The biggest poll we have had on this was in 2016 when the electorate has the opportunity to show their opinion but that was 3 years ago and the data can't be considered to be a reliable reflection anymore, although at the time it was.

So whats the solution? There's only one way to find out what the current electorate want and that is to have another nationwide opinion poll. Could be done with NI numbers and internet voting. It's just an opinion poll so doesn't have to have a campaign, but would give the house of commons a much better idea of what it should or should not be voting through.
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post Apr 15 2019, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 15 2019, 08:53 AM) *
Some of those polls are based on very little to be fair. One of them showed that they had asked 2000 people, that's really not representative at all. The one that newres shared seems to be the most accurate with a larger section of our society getting asked. However do polls matter? The biggest poll we have had on this was in 2016 when the electorate has the opportunity to show their opinion but that was 3 years ago and the data can't be considered to be a reliable reflection anymore, although at the time it was.

So whats the solution? There's only one way to find out what the current electorate want and that is to have another nationwide opinion poll. Could be done with NI numbers and internet voting. It's just an opinion poll so doesn't have to have a campaign, but would give the house of commons a much better idea of what it should or should not be voting through.

Or they could ask a question on an indicative basis on the EU election ballot papers?

Whatever happens, we're stuck until there's a GE that delivers a decent majority or there's a referendum.
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post Apr 15 2019, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 15 2019, 09:17 AM) *
Or they could ask a question on an indicative basis on the EU election ballot papers?

Whatever happens, we're stuck until there's a GE that delivers a decent majority or there's a referendum.


A general election will only solve the problem if one party stands on a "leave" ticket and the other(s) on remain. The thought of repeating the process over the next 3 years will send the majority "mad", but I agree that a GE is preferable to another referendum.


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post Apr 15 2019, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 15 2019, 11:47 AM) *
A general election will only solve the problem if one party stands on a "leave" ticket and the other(s) on remain. The thought of repeating the process over the next 3 years will send the majority "mad", but I agree that a GE is preferable to another referendum.

I reckon in the event of a General Election, Labour would offer a vote on any deal. At the very least they would offer a customs union and single market. That alone would be a strong differentiation. Most remainers would settle for that as an acceptable compromise and it would end years of division that we're heading for with the Tories.
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post Apr 15 2019, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 15 2019, 01:54 PM) *
I reckon in the event of a General Election, Labour would offer a vote on any deal. At the very least they would offer a customs union and single market. That alone would be a strong differentiation. Most remainers would settle for that as an acceptable compromise and it would end years of division that we're heading for with the Tories.


Not entirely sure the difference between a customs union and fully fledged membership? Apart of course in that membership allows us to veto certain directives whereas a customs union ties us to those directives irrespective of our position. Seems very much a halfway compromise to me but no doubt others see it differently.


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post Apr 15 2019, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 15 2019, 03:17 PM) *
Not entirely sure the difference between a customs union and fully fledged membership? Apart of course in that membership allows us to veto certain directives whereas a customs union ties us to those directives irrespective of our position. Seems very much a halfway compromise to me but no doubt others see it differently.

It is a halfway compromise. We are out of the EU but with minimal economic consequences. People will say it prevents us negotiating our own trade deals, but leaving aside the relative power of 500 million compared to 50 million, the last three years have demonstrated the superior negotiating skills elsewhere in Europe. Once the argument “we’re British you know” failed, we were ******. laugh.gif
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post Apr 15 2019, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 15 2019, 05:44 PM) *
It is a halfway compromise. We are out of the EU but with minimal economic consequences. People will say it prevents us negotiating our own trade deals, but leaving aside the relative power of 500 million compared to 50 million, the last three years have demonstrated the superior negotiating skills elsewhere in Europe. Once the argument “we’re British you know” failed, we were ******. laugh.gif

I wouldn't say you were "British" first. You are a European first and British second...
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post Apr 17 2019, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 15 2019, 07:47 PM) *
I wouldn't say you were "British" first. You are a European first and British second...


Utter tosh!

Welsh first; British second and I remember the days before the Chunnel when the Continent used be cut off from civilisation due to fog. biggrin.gif tongue.gif



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post Apr 17 2019, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Apr 17 2019, 07:34 PM) *
Utter tosh!

Welsh first; British second and I remember the days before the Chunnel when the Continent used be cut off from civilisation due to fog. biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Nah.. You have a picture of Juncker and Tusk on your bedroom ceiling... you've been rumbled...😂🤣
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