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Posted by: Darren Aug 11 2010, 10:59 AM

I see the signs are out for the roadworks/improvements, but has anyone seen the details of what is actually being done?

Posted by: dannyboy Aug 11 2010, 11:02 AM

It is for the installation of cycle lanes

Posted by: JeffG Aug 11 2010, 11:12 AM

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/Article.aspx?articleID=14148

(I assume by Bear Lane roundabout they actually mean the Kings Road roundabout.)

Pity they are not also taking the opportunity to knock down the KFC building to make a decent two-lane exit from Wharf Road

Posted by: spartacus Aug 11 2010, 05:41 PM

Oooh goody!! I hope they're like the St Johns Roundabout cycle lanes....... Could do with another laugh....

Posted by: GMR Aug 11 2010, 05:50 PM

Was there? I cycled past it to Sainsbury's and I didn't see any road signs.

Posted by: GMR Aug 11 2010, 05:50 PM

Is it... brilliant... I just hope they are not like the other roundabout as they are dangerous.

Posted by: JeffG Aug 11 2010, 09:15 PM

Cycling with your eyes closed is probably contrary to the Highway Code.

Anyhow, there are signs on the central reservation of the A339 in both directions and on the approach to the roundabout coming from Sainsburys. (There may be more - they are just the ones I've seen.)

Posted by: Darren Aug 11 2010, 09:18 PM

Could this be where they replace the whole traffic light system with an 'intelligent (hahahahaha) one like the Robin Hood?

Posted by: GMR Aug 11 2010, 09:51 PM

It works for Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles



Next time I go I'll have a look.

Posted by: Darren Aug 16 2010, 06:39 PM

Nice to see it's all free-flowing out there... Not!!

Posted by: JeffG Aug 16 2010, 09:47 PM

Well, the signs do say the works start daily at 7pm (seeing as your post is timed a little after that). Since it's after 6 you have the option of avoiding it by going through the town.

Posted by: Darren Aug 17 2010, 04:13 AM

Not when going into Mill Lane/Bone Lane

It was queued up at 18:40 as the roundabout was running on temporary lights with single, alternate lane using the west side only. I'm sure the council highways will be able to answer why, in a concise and timely fashion...

Posted by: J C Aug 17 2010, 07:45 AM

Snap! I queued from 18:30 going from the Robinhood Roundabout to the Sainsburys Roundabout whilst they deactivated the lights and put in the temporary ones, once off the M4 it took me longer to get to Kings Road than it had to get back from Brentford!

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 17 2010, 12:23 PM

Surely you can not expect traffic to run as smoothly as it would without the roadworks taking place? I was very pleased this morning to see that they have FINALLY painted the lanes coming from Sainsburys to the roundabout so that each lane filters into two lanes rather than people believing that the inside lane should filter into three lanes (what logic in their thinking there I don't understand) and nearly taking the side of my car off. So if you read this the old woman in the blue Ford Focus with road rage I WAS IN THE RIGHT LANE !!.

Posted by: J C Aug 17 2010, 12:31 PM

No I wouldn't expect it to during the times the roadworks are advertised to take place (between 7pm & Midnight) but I do object to sitting in a queue for 30 mins before then because they have quite litterally stopped all traffic using the roundabout. If I had come home nearer to 7pm I would have gone a different route to avoid the roundabout completely which I will do this evening.




Hear hear! That was a massive pet peeve of mine, glad to see the road markings now sensible, shame people will probably carry on as usual and not follow the lane markings

Posted by: JeffG Aug 17 2010, 01:30 PM

But they never do. Another case in point is people in London Road (West) taking the right hand lane at the Robin Hood lights when they intend to go left under the flyover instead of up the A339. And the road markings there couldn't be much clearer.

Posted by: J C Aug 17 2010, 02:36 PM

Or coming from Sainsburys onto the Robinhood in the middle lane when they want to carry up the A339 towards the M4!

Back to the road works the timings have now been clarified with the contractor so hopefully it won't take me so long to get home tonight!

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=14286

Posted by: JeffG Aug 17 2010, 04:32 PM

I think that's actually OK (to use either of the two outside lanes for the A339). Must admit I always use the outside lane if I'm going up there, but it's worth checking the road markings again And I always stay in the right lane until I'm sure there's nothing coming up the inside.

Posted by: Darren Aug 17 2010, 06:57 PM

If going A339 towards the M4, the only lane is the outside lane. After the lights, it then goes to 2 lanes for the flyover. The middle lane is for A4 east and Shaw Road. Inside lane is Town Centre and A4 west.

The sign on the approach are clear as to which lane to use. Sadly, reading signs appears to an optional extra.


I'm pleased to see that the work hadn't started when I went through at 18:40. I guess someone was 'educated' with a shovel.

Posted by: JeffG Aug 17 2010, 07:06 PM

Which is obviously the reason I always use the outside lane when going up the A339. I don't have instant recall of all the signs I have read as I drive around But I still wouldn't drive straight through to the left hand lane going over the flyover without making sure there is nothing coming up the inside.

Posted by: Iommi Aug 17 2010, 07:35 PM

I go to which ever lane has the smallest queue, then nail it out of the stocks to get the jump on the rest!

Posted by: JeffG Aug 17 2010, 09:35 PM

If you're serious, I don't think I want to share a road with you.

Posted by: Iommi Aug 17 2010, 09:40 PM

Too late!

Posted by: Busman Aug 17 2010, 10:34 PM

Ah just the kind of person I have great fun blocking off with the enormous bulk of my bus and then watch them squirm

Posted by: Iommi Aug 17 2010, 11:51 PM

Yeah, but when does anyone see a bus round here?

Posted by: Bloggo Aug 18 2010, 07:34 AM

All the time, and they are always empty.

Posted by: tom1 Aug 18 2010, 08:09 AM

agreed they are clear enough just that they are not sensible. if you get in the LH lane you still have to come across - so why not get in the correct lane in the first place !. also you have other drivers who are reluctant to let you filter into the lane. all in all the original lane markings ( where you entered and stayed in the LH lane -ant the Hungerford drivers later branched off was the sensible option. Bring those markings back- and while you are at it open up Wharf rd and stop all that waiting to get over the parkway bridge.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 18 2010, 08:16 AM

You see all those on here who talk about getting in the wrong lane being OK are just the ones I was referring to in the Speed Camera thread who cause more accidents than speeding ever does but because there are no "Careless Driving Cameras" they get away with it. (If they don't have an accident which they inevitably will!)

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 18 2010, 08:38 AM

I couldn’t agree more. I travel along the A339 between the Sainsbury’s roundabout and the Robin Hood roundabout as I am travelling to Hungerford and so am taking the inside lane. Obviously this is the busiest lane so a lot of inconsiderate people go in the outside lane and then “cut in” at the top of the road. I am speechless when I hear people moaning that the people in the correct lane are “reluctant to let you filter into the lane”. If you were in the correct lane to start with you would not need to “filter” into the lane anyway. In my experience I don’t usually have a choice as people come tearing up my outside, put on their indicator and regardless of whether I am still moving or not PUSH in front of me. It is bullying in its finest form.

Posted by: J C Aug 18 2010, 08:42 AM

I looked again this morning at the new road markings and just after the traffic lights the left hand lane has straight on and left with the right hand lane also straight on so nothing has changed

Posted by: Bloggo Aug 18 2010, 08:46 AM

You just have to believe that these arogant, selfish drivers meet a similar minded driver in these circunmstances and they wreck each others cars.

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 18 2010, 09:34 AM

Oh when I travelled along that route they had not finished past the traffic lights so I can't comment on that until I see it. Seems odd they have sorted out the problem (well probably not if what people on here are saying that they just go in the lane with the least traffic) before the lights but this will again lead to uncertainty after the lights !!

Posted by: Iommi Aug 18 2010, 09:41 AM

I purposely get in the wrong lane just to annoy people that always get in the correct lane and never make a wrong choice of lane when driving; always perfectly. It's not fair that people can drive sensibly and never make any mistakes, while I'm merely human and sometimes do!

Posted by: On the edge Aug 18 2010, 09:56 AM

This will make the next 'Caught on Bollards' thread interesting!

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 18 2010, 09:58 AM

It takes a lot of hard work to be perfect !!!

You can not tell me that everyone that wrong lanes it every single day on the stretch of road I drive are visitors who are "making a mistake" and are possibly confused as to which lane they want to be in rather than the majority are actually locals who SHOULD know which lane they actually should to be in but are trying to save five minutes by tearing up the empty lane ????? I find that very, very hard to believe.

Posted by: dannyboy Aug 18 2010, 10:32 AM

If coming along London Rd towards the Robin Hood the old lane markings are still there. They haven't changed.

Posted by: Iommi Aug 18 2010, 11:04 AM

I agree, but then I wasn't specifically replying to you.

Posted by: JeffG Aug 18 2010, 12:59 PM

One thing that is rather silly is when two lanes have to merge into one (e.g. lane closure), people are reluctant to carry on to the merge point, but merge early, thereby wasting road space and increasing the hold up. Then people who merged early will do their utmost to prevent late mergers from getting in.

I have to admit I am a bit chicken myself, because I merge early too, knowing that I will incur the wrath of drivers already in the single lane by the merge point. But I try not to get cross with late mergers

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 18 2010, 06:12 PM

There's a difference between "making a mistake" and "purposely".

The point I was trying to make is that there is a H ell of a lot of bad driving out there that causes many accidents and sometimes serous injury and death. (So I am surprised you can be so flippant about it.)
Yes we all make mistakes but the majority of it is deliberate.
However the emphasis is nearly always on speeding as being the cause of accidents.
I suppose it is because speeders are the easiest to nick and/or fine.

Posted by: Iommi Aug 18 2010, 06:20 PM

I was simply taking the piss out of people's apparent sanctimony. The chances are, the mistakes that are made by the good drivers, go unrealised.


I might be wrong, but I can't remember any one being killed on the Robin Hood Giratory.

Posted by: tom1 Aug 18 2010, 06:31 PM

1. the LH lane markings did change. 2.if you are in the LH lane you will move over to your right as you follow the markings and have to join the RH lane which later splits into two lanes.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 18 2010, 06:42 PM

No one has been killed in the 'pedestrian area' by a driver ignoring the signs either. Sauce for the goose and all that...

Posted by: dannyboy Aug 19 2010, 08:11 AM

I saw a very near miss.

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 19 2010, 08:49 AM

[quote name='Iommi' date='Aug 18 2010, 07:20 PM' post='22577']
I was simply taking the piss out of people's apparent sanctimony. The chances are, the mistakes that are made by the good drivers, go unrealised.

WOW !!!! Now I am being sanctimonious because I use the correct lane whilst driving home and I believe that other local people should do the same..!!! Shame on me..

Posted by: On the edge Aug 19 2010, 08:50 AM

Of course - I've seen many on the roads throughout UK by drivers doing far worse than simply failing to heed signs. Indeed even in the pedestrain area by vehicles that are apparently 'safe' i.e. a taxi and two busses.

Posted by: Iommi Aug 19 2010, 09:17 AM

Please go back and read post #37

Here's a link to help you!

http://forum.newburytoday.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=855&view=findpost&p=22564

Just 'cause I make a point, doesn't mean it was about you.

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 19 2010, 03:04 PM

Oh please forgive me I thought when you said "I was simply taking the piss out of people's apparent sanctimony" because I had made comments about these "mistakes" that maybe I was included in the people you were talking about. Also thank you so much for putting the link into your reply for me as I was not sure how I was going to scroll up and find Post 37

Posted by: JeffG Aug 19 2010, 04:07 PM

Oo-er - someone's come over all pink and fluffy...

Posted by: HeatherW Aug 19 2010, 04:23 PM

I travelled the Sainsbury's way last night to get some petrol for my car and I got caught in the mad rush.

Posted by: dannyboy Aug 19 2010, 07:20 PM

Rush!?!

I was stuck for 15 mins - we didn't move.

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 19 2010, 09:36 PM

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 19 2010, 09:58 PM

Had a look today and as you leave the traffic lights as you come away from Sainsbury's the arrows show that the R/H lane is for straight on and the L/H lane is for going left AND straight on. Presume if you are in the L/H lane you then have the choice of straight on or turn left at the roundabout so it in fact filters into THREE lanes.

Or does anyone read it differently?

Posted by: J C Aug 20 2010, 07:42 AM

Yes that's how I read the road markings, but there is white zig-zaggy lines between the two lanes leading up to the roundabout which to me mark out the split between L/H lane going left and R/H lane going straight on or right. I also spotted this morning that in the R/H lane they have smudged out the right arrow as it used to show straight on and right, not sure what the purpose of that would be

Posted by: JeffG Aug 21 2010, 12:57 PM

The 'left or straight on' arrows in the left lane are misleading, since there is no lane marking after that that allows the left lane to to move safely over to the straight on lane without the risk of collision.

I think they gave the arrow painting and the lane marking to two different people working from different scripts

Posted by: Darren Aug 21 2010, 03:50 PM

I see the lanes have changed coming from Bear Lane to Mill Lane/Sainsbury's.

On the Bear Lane lights, if you want A339 North or Mill Lane, it's the left lane. If you want Sainsbury's or A339 South, it's the right-hand lane.

Before, Mill lane and Sainsbury's was considered all one exit so the left lane in Bear Lane was correct.

I can hear the horns sounding already...

Posted by: Iommi Aug 21 2010, 05:36 PM

Yes Darren, a dumbass idea!

Posted by: JeffG Aug 21 2010, 09:58 PM

Anyone turning right from the south to go to Sainsbury's (like me) isn't going to know that, are they, and will cross to the nearside lane at the second set of lights as usual. Unless they somehow make it clear that they should use the right hand lane from now on. I admit, the road markings on the Mill Lane side now mean you have to pull over to go to Sainsbury's.

I'm sure all will become clear eventually, without them bothering to put up the usual signs "road layout changed" (too much effort I expect).

Posted by: Iommi Aug 21 2010, 10:12 PM

That road is so often jammed; you have to take what ever lane you can get. Again, it is fiddling with convention.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 22 2010, 08:58 AM

I have met people like you so many times on the road it is a wonder I am still alive!

Posted by: Iommi Aug 22 2010, 10:08 AM

First: who said I did? I'm talking a specific piece of road where the powers that be have decided to confuse the public...again. Second: If it is that bad for you, I suggest getting a car!

Posted by: JeffG Aug 22 2010, 11:25 AM

Ever tried white-lining in a car??

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 23 2010, 08:00 AM

Sounds like it is going to be quite confusing for a while so we will have to be extra vigilant with people unintentionally being in the wrong lane and cutting across but yes horns are going to be honking. Mind you they already are and tempers boiling over with the temporary traffic lights....

Posted by: JeffG Aug 23 2010, 10:13 AM

Presumably only after 7? The normal lights have been operational whenever I've been through there.

It would be nice if they linked the crossing lights with the roundabout lights, though I doubt if they will. It's pretty frustrating sitting at a red light at the empty crossing and watching the lights on the roundabout change to green and back to red.

Posted by: Darren Aug 23 2010, 11:32 AM

They are already linked as they traffic control and crossing lights are one and the same.

Edit: I've just realised the ones you mean. As they are pedestrian-controlled, I doubt it..

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 23 2010, 12:28 PM

Yes I mean the lights they are setting up after 7 when the town comes to a standstill !!

Not sure about linking the crossing lights with the roundabout lights all that was said was:-

This will also enable the council to resurface the carriageway, update the traffic signal controller and create new road markings and traffic signs.

Posted by: JeffG Aug 23 2010, 12:32 PM

[Edit: this is a reply to Darren's post]
Yes I suppose I could have been clearer - as you realised I meant the crossing by the pedestrian exit from Sainsbury's.

The crossings on the roundabout have push buttons for pedestrians (do they actually achieve anything?), too, so I am sure it is technologically possible to integrate the independent crossing with the main lights in some way.

Posted by: dannyboy Aug 23 2010, 01:33 PM

yes they do - they make it safe for people who want to cross the road.

Posted by: JeffG Aug 23 2010, 03:09 PM

How do push buttons which as far as I can see don't actually do anything, make it safer when the lights will change following the normal roundabout sequence anyway?

Posted by: dannyboy Aug 23 2010, 04:09 PM

because people will wait for the lights to change after they have pushed the button.

Posted by: Darren Aug 23 2010, 06:53 PM

And like a lift button, the more you press it, the faster it changes.

Posted by: JeffG Aug 23 2010, 06:58 PM

And they won't wait for the lights to change unless they have a placebo button to press?

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2010, 06:59 PM

.
YOU suggested this was the way to behave on the road!
It's written quite plainly in black & white which lane to be in - where's the confusion?



I do have one and the driving you suggest people to use annoys me just as much in that!

Posted by: Iommi Aug 23 2010, 07:06 PM

Exactly, I said you have to not I have to.


I never recommended anything.


Who said anything about being confused?


Never suggested anything, only that when it is grid locked, anything goes.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2010, 07:16 PM

You used "you" in the first person.
(Post 58)


Again post 58 "you have to" (OK this time in the third person you can't have it both ways - which is it?)


Post 60


Contradicting yourself there.

Post 21 covers the lot!

Posted by: On the edge Aug 23 2010, 08:01 PM

Nice one!! Perhaps the little screen should have fruit machine symbols in it, might encourage some to wait.

Posted by: Iommi Aug 23 2010, 08:03 PM

That is your interpretation of an ambiguous statement.


'You have to' is not a recommendation; it is an observation in the second person plural.


OK, the council have decided to confuse the driver by changing the layout. Even if the layout is visible, this still will confuse because it is a change. Sadly, most drivers aren't as observant and brilliant as you at driving and all the discipline that involves. Fortunately, you and some others are very good drivers and riders and can avoid accidents when other useless drivers get it wrong.


I am if you don't understand that I was joking. I thought it might make a change from all the posts describing wonderful lane discipline. Although there have been times in the past where I might have done it on occasion when I have cocked-up. I doubt few haven't if they were to be honest. Especially, if you have over 120bhp from the twist grip!

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 24 2010, 03:07 PM

Anyway you're not the only one Iommi - just saw a police car with two officers in it turn right by the cinema from Market Street into Cheap Street!

Posted by: Ben01635 Aug 24 2010, 04:08 PM

I totally agree - they have got this completely WRONG! - Mill Lane is a left turn <i>off of Kings Road</i> and not directly off of the roundabout, therefore people were perfectly correct in using the left lane to exit onto Kings Road and then take the first left onto Mill Lane. However it would seem the town planners have got this wrong creating more confusion as the left lane now is only for Mill Lane which is not an exit off of the roundabout!

Posted by: JeffG Aug 24 2010, 06:08 PM

However (devil's advocate hat on here) the right hand lane is more in a direct line with the road down to Sainsbury's.

From the left lane (with the previous convention), you had to deliberately move over to the right, i.e. change lanes, to avoid traffic waiting to turn left into Mill Lane (possible held up by the crossing) when continuing on to Sainsbury's.

All in all, I think the new arrangement is better - I followed that today turning right from the A339, and didn't get into any arguments . In fact I got away more quickly since the right lane at the second lights was empty.

Posted by: Bloggo Aug 25 2010, 08:08 AM

I went around the roundabout this morning for the first time. It all seemed perfectly obvious which lane to be in. I can't see why anyone would get it wrong.

Posted by: JeffG Aug 25 2010, 08:54 AM

Actually, coming from the south and turning right, I can't see how it can be obvious which lane to be in, since you can't see round the corner. Also, old habits die hard.

Posted by: Bloggo Aug 25 2010, 08:59 AM

Well, I found it OK, can't see what all the fuss is about. Not sure what you mean by "old habits die hard".

Posted by: JeffG Aug 25 2010, 09:06 AM

People turning right to go to Sainsbury's from the ring road always used the left hand lane, as was required. They are not suddenly going to change overnight without some "road layout changed" warning. That's what I meant.

Posted by: Bloggo Aug 25 2010, 09:15 AM

I must be misunderstanding all of this as I would have thought that if you intended to turn right the best place to be would be the right hand lane, not the left.

Posted by: JeffG Aug 25 2010, 10:09 AM

Sigh! You probably are. I am only saying how the previous road layout and lane markings used to be, and people are used to that:

Right hand lane http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Newbury,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.400089,-1.320806&spn=0.004826,0.009645&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.400155,-1.320889&panoid=ysVOrNkKByxijtyofvye3w&cbp=12,348.25,,0,5, then left hand lane http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Newbury,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.400457,-1.320924&spn=0.004826,0.009645&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.400536,-1.320772&panoid=fh--ySWv8nhS3pYTYkKVaA&cbp=12,78.25,,0,5.

Posted by: pinkfluffyclouds Aug 25 2010, 10:17 AM

Precisely right and if I had not read on here that the lane for Sainsburys is now the right hand one I would not have known and would have gone to the left one (no road layout change signs). Was quite funny though as a Sainsburys delivery van in front of me was correctly in the right hand lane but another Sainsburys delivery van was in the left hand lane so if they don’t yet know which lane to be in !! It is breaking old habits but hopefully it won’t take the grey matter long to remember !!!

Posted by: Iommi Aug 25 2010, 10:18 AM

Give-up JeffG; Bloggo is brilliant and right all the time.

Posted by: Bloggo Aug 25 2010, 10:36 AM

Thanks Iommi. but I would not say all of the time.

Posted by: Iommi Aug 25 2010, 10:41 AM

OK, that is a bit of an exaggeration... nearly all the time! Like me!

Posted by: Darren Aug 25 2010, 12:13 PM

modest too

Posted by: Biker1 Sep 12 2010, 06:50 AM

I see Greenham Parish Councillors are up in arms about the new markings.

Personally I don't see the problem - all you have to do is read the markings and stay in lane.

I suppose it may be trying for any strangers to the area.
Having to stay in lane and go ROUND a roundabout would come difficult to those who are used to just cutting across them!

Posted by: Darren Sep 12 2010, 07:32 AM

But then if you're a stranger, it's the only version you know.

Still getting use to how smooth the surgace is now. No potholes to dodge.

Posted by: JeffG Sep 12 2010, 09:30 AM

What exactly are they complaining about? The new layout works well, IMO.

Posted by: Iommi Sep 12 2010, 09:52 AM

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=14500

NEW road markings near the Sainsbury’s roundabout in Newbury have been branded by some councillors “potentially dangerous”.

The changes to the markings on the road by the roundabout at Sainsbury’s and Bear Lane, on the A339, have infuriated some members of Greenham Parish Council, who claimed that they are resulting in traffic chaos as drivers struggle to negotiate the new lanes.

The roundabout falls just outside of their parish boundary, but as the A339 is the main access route into Greenham, chairman of the parish council, Tony Forward, said he is baffled as to why the parish council was not consulted on the alterations as the problems stretch back into its area.

He said at a parish council meeting on Wednesday (8): “It’s always been a problem roundabout with speeders, now there is an issue regarding the right turn into Sainsbury’s. I’m very confused trying to understand what the overall scheme is. This will have a knock on effect, right across Newbury.”

The work was undertaken at the end of August as West Berkshire Council looked to resurface the carriageway, update the traffic signal controller and create new road markings and traffic signs.

Greenham parish councillor Phil Barnett said the alterations were adding to the congestion.

“It’s a very important road in the town, and the changes were was supposed to stop traffic backing up. Drivers don’t know what lane they are supposed to be in, it’s a complete waste of time.”

Chris Austin, also a Greenham parish councillor, said it was common local knowledge that the roundabouts were better, and ran smoother, when the lights weren't working.

West Berkshire’s executive member for highways, David Betts (Con, Purley-On-Thames), defended the changes, and said the council did its best to ensure traffic flow was improved.

He said the rephasing of the lights still needed to be completed, and while he had not used the road from the Greenham direction, he said from his personal experience, the changes were better.

“Any judgements on the effectiveness would be premature at this stage. The rephasing of the lights means we should have less congestion, not more,” he added.

Posted by: Darren Sep 12 2010, 10:47 AM

Isn't the use of the word "dangerous" a tad melodramatic?

It's not as though the road is mined or there are spike to impale transgressors

Posted by: JeffG Sep 12 2010, 11:19 AM

Thanks for the link. I expect they are peeved because they didn't put in a separate lane for horses and carts. Just how long is it going to take for regular users to get used to the new layout? I managed it on my second trip. The direction/flow of traffic is much more natural now.

Posted by: JeffG Sep 13 2010, 12:56 PM

Seems like someone wasn't paying attention to the new lane markings...

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=14514

Posted by: Darren Oct 1 2010, 08:24 AM

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=14701

They've certainly changed the phasing this morning. Coming from Bear Lane towards Sainsbury's the first lights only allow 3-4 cars through and the set for A339 Southbound are at red so the queue backs up across the Northbound lanes. Which causes Northbound traffic to queue across the Bear lane exit. Which causes, well, you get the picture...

What was wrong with the original phasing?

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 1 2010, 08:57 AM

Perhaps it was working reasonably OK so something had to be done!

Posted by: Richard Garvie Oct 1 2010, 09:01 AM

Let's say that Parkway becomes full of destination stores... How exactly are the thousands of people coming to town expected to reach it??? Maybe we should have looked at the infrastructure first!!!

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 1 2010, 09:06 AM

Like the hopelessly missed opportunity to install a 2 way bridge in Parkway when it was replaced.
Unbelievable!

Posted by: Richard Garvie Oct 1 2010, 09:15 AM

In this clip, Mator is playing the part of West Berks and Lightning McQueen is representing developers in West Berkshire...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7f2F1RWPWk&feature=related

up to 37 seconds in: Negotiations with Developers

5:31 to 6:30: Example of West Berks holding developers to promises made during planning process.