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post Jun 5 2019, 10:26 PM
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I see Ford are closing their Bridgend plant. Obviously nothing to do with Brexit. Obvs.

Investment in the new Dragon engine was scaled back, while production of an engine for Jaguar Land Rover is due to end this year. There has already been concern about whether the plant would be viable making only 125,000 Dragon petrol engines a year.

"It comes just days after car sales in the UK fell again"

Demand for ice's is falling all the time, if the plant had been built on top of a lithium mountain it would have been different, but it wasn't.

So, in conclusion, nothing to do with brexit.

6/10. Must try harder.
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post Jun 6 2019, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 5 2019, 11:26 PM) *
Investment in the new Dragon engine was scaled back, while production of an engine for Jaguar Land Rover is due to end this year. There has already been concern about whether the plant would be viable making only 125,000 Dragon petrol engines a year.

"It comes just days after car sales in the UK fell again"

Demand for ice's is falling all the time, if the plant had been built on top of a lithium mountain it would have been different, but it wasn't.

So, in conclusion, nothing to do with brexit.

6/10. Must try harder.

Last time I checked there was no oil produced in Bridgend.

Obviously none of these decisions have anything to do with Brexit. Despite the fact that Brexit’s pet economist Patrick Minford predicted that Brexit would destroy our automotive industry.
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post Jun 6 2019, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 6 2019, 05:37 AM) *
Last time I checked there was no oil produced in Bridgend.

Obviously none of these decisions have anything to do with Brexit. Despite the fact that Brexit’s pet economist Patrick Minford predicted that Brexit would destroy our automotive industry.

Nothing to do with Brexit. Falling demand. Simple economics. Tried to keep it simple.
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 6 2019, 05:37 AM) *
Last time I checked there was no oil produced in Bridgend.

Obviously none of these decisions have anything to do with Brexit. Despite the fact that Brexit’s pet economist Patrick Minford predicted that Brexit would destroy our automotive industry.

Ford in December: Closes transmission factory in France, 800 jobs lost.
Remainiacs:

Ford in January: Closes vehicle plant in Brazil, 2,800 jobs lost.
Remainiacs:

Ford in April: Cuts 20% of its workforce across Germany, 5,000 jobs lost.
Remainiacs:

Ford in June: "So, about Bridgend..."
Remainiacs: ******* BREXIT, £350M ON A BUS, GAMMON GAMMON GAMMON NAZIS


For reference, Ford has cited three reasons for closing Bridgend. They're the conclusion of the Jaguar AJ engine contract, Ford running down the 1.5 EcoBoost, and a collapsed demand for the Dragon engine (which would have been Bridgend's only product).


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post Jun 6 2019, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 6 2019, 01:01 PM) *
Ford in December: Closes transmission factory in France, 800 jobs lost.
Remainiacs:

Ford in January: Closes vehicle plant in Brazil, 2,800 jobs lost.
Remainiacs:

Ford in April: Cuts 20% of its workforce across Germany, 5,000 jobs lost.
Remainiacs:

Ford in June: "So, about Bridgend..."
Remainiacs: ******* BREXIT, £350M ON A BUS, GAMMON GAMMON GAMMON NAZIS


For reference, Ford has cited three reasons for closing Bridgend. They're the conclusion of the Jaguar AJ engine contract, Ford running down the 1.5 EcoBoost, and a collapsed demand for the Dragon engine (which would have been Bridgend's only product).

Plus Tata, Honda and Nissan and British Steel. All predicted by Patrick Minford. 850,000 jobs.

https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/10...0243201?lang=en
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post Jun 6 2019, 01:08 PM
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The closure of Bridgend has nothing to to do with brexit, Steven Armstrong, group vice president for Ford in Europe, Middle East and Africa has absolutely savaged Ford Europe. He's cited huge losses in market share and billion dollar losses over the last five years. Armstrong says Ford is planning to "restructure" Ford Europe, including slashing jobs - to the tune of thousands - and getting out of the MPV sector, and might even abandon passenger cars altogether, just as Ford USA has.

One thing of note is that he also says all vehicles will have HEV or BEV versions from the next generation onwards and there will be no more development of diesel engines for smaller cars because customers are abandoning diesel "more aggressively than anticipated". Not once has he mentioned brexit, not once.

And British steel has been limping along for years, TATA? Indian company so fifty shades of meh!
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post Jun 6 2019, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 6 2019, 02:08 PM) *
The closure of Bridgend has nothing to to do with brexit, Steven Armstrong, group vice president for Ford in Europe, Middle East and Africa has absolutely savaged Ford Europe. He's cited huge losses in market share and billion dollar losses over the last five years. Armstrong says Ford is planning to "restructure" Ford Europe, including slashing jobs - to the tune of thousands - and getting out of the MPV sector, and might even abandon passenger cars altogether, just as Ford USA has.

One thing of note is that he also says all vehicles will have HEV or BEV versions from the next generation onwards and there will be no more development of diesel engines for smaller cars because customers are abandoning diesel "more aggressively than anticipated". Not once has he mentioned brexit, not once.

And British steel has been limping along for years, TATA? Indian company so fifty shades of meh!

As each of these come along the JRM mob poopoo the Brexit factor but the uncertainty make cutting the UK a no brainer if the vehicles will mostly sell into the EU. We are in for turbulent days if we leave. And all those saying that a deal with the US will be easy are the same ones that claimed a deal with the EU would be easy.
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post Jun 6 2019, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 6 2019, 02:20 PM) *
As each of these come along the JRM mob poopoo the Brexit factor but the uncertainty make cutting the UK a no brainer if the vehicles will mostly sell into the EU. We are in for turbulent days if we leave. And all those saying that a deal with the US will be easy are the same ones that claimed a deal with the EU would be easy.

There is no brexit factor to Bridgend! None! Zero! Zilch!
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post Jun 6 2019, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 6 2019, 02:20 PM) *
As each of these come along the JRM mob poopoo the Brexit factor but the uncertainty make cutting the UK a no brainer if the vehicles will mostly sell into the EU. We are in for turbulent days if we leave. And all those saying that a deal with the US will be easy are the same ones that claimed a deal with the EU would be easy.

This would be the same JRM who's praised Minford?
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post Jun 6 2019, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 6 2019, 02:20 PM) *
As each of these come along the JRM mob poopoo the Brexit factor but the uncertainty make cutting the UK a no brainer if the vehicles will mostly sell into the EU. We are in for turbulent days if we leave. And all those saying that a deal with the US will be easy are the same ones that claimed a deal with the EU would be easy.

From Ford,
"FORD CONFIRMS START OF CONSULTATION ON POTENTIAL CLOSURE OF BRIDGEND ENGINE PLANT IN SUPPORT OF BUSINESS REDESIGN
* Consultation starts concerning the proposed end of engine production and closure of Bridgend Engine Plant in South Wales by late 2020
* Proposal supports Ford’s redesign strategy to create a more efficient and focused business in Europe, with significant progress already being made
* Comprehensive plan includes an enhanced employee separation programme, plus measures to help employees find new jobs or other career opportunities
* Ford will remain a significant employer in the U.K.; engine production maintained at Dagenham; Dunton Technical Centre home to Ford’s European sales-leading commercial vehicle business

COLOGNE, Germany, June 6, 2019 – After detailed consideration, Ford today confirmed the start of a consultation with its unions concerning the potential closure of the Ford Bridgend Engine Plant in South Wales. The proposed action is a necessary step to support Ford’s global business redesign and is part of the company’s strategy to create a more efficient and focused business in Europe.

“Creating a strong and sustainable Ford business in Europe requires us to make some difficult decisions, including the need to scale our global engine manufacturing footprint to best serve our future vehicle portfolio,” said Stuart Rowley, president, Ford of Europe. “We are committed to the U.K.; however, changing customer demand and cost disadvantages, plus an absence of additional engine models for Bridgend going forward make the plant economically unsustainable in the years ahead.”

Factors behind the proposed closure of Bridgend include significant underutilisation of the plant, driven by the impending end of engine production for Jaguar Land Rover, the cessation of the previous generation Ford GTDi 1.5-litre engine, and reduced global demand for the new generation Ford GTDi and Pfi 1.5-litre engine. At expected volumes, the plant also faces a cost disadvantage compared with other Ford facilities building the same engine.

Significant efforts to identify new opportunities have not been successful.

It is proposed that production of the new generation Ford 1.5-litre engine will end at the Bridgend facility in February 2020, with manufacture of the engines supplied to Jaguar Land Rover ceasing in September 2020, when it is proposed that Bridgend will close.

As part of its proposals, Ford also has provided details of a comprehensive plan with an enhanced separation programme for Bridgend employees. This includes helping employees with redeployment opportunities to other Ford sites in the U.K. and assisting with domestic relocation where possible, or supporting them to find new employers or pursue new opportunities, such as creating their own businesses or training for new careers.

“As a major employer in the U.K. for more than a century, we know that closing Bridgend would be difficult for many of our employees,” Rowley said. “We recognise the effects it would have on their families and the communities where they live and, as a responsible employer, we are proposing a plan that would help to ease the impact.”

Ford currently expects to record pre-tax special item charges of about $650 million in relation to the proposed closure of Bridgend. Approximately $400 million of the charges would be paid in cash and are primarily attributable to separation and termination payments for employees. Non-cash charges of approximately $250 million include pension expense and accelerated depreciation and amortization. Most of the pre-tax special item charges would be recorded in 2019, with the cash outflows occurring in 2020, and are part of the $11 billion in EBIT charges with cash-related effects of $7 billion the company expects to take in the redesign of its global business.

Ford’s Bridgend Engine Plant opened in 1977, and today employs around 1,700 employees, including nearly 400 who signed up to a voluntary separation programme earlier this year and will leave between May and December 2019.

Ford is committed to the U.K., where it continues to be the passenger and commercial vehicle sales leader. Even after the proposed closure of Bridgend, Ford will remain a major employer with significant operations in the country.

Ford’s Mobility Innovation Office in London is developing future mobility solutions for Europe, while the Dunton Technical Centre in Essex is home to Ford’s European market- leading commercial vehicle business which is set to play an even more significant role in the future. Ford will continue to produce diesel engines at the Dagenham Engine Plant in east London, and transmissions at the Halewood Getrag Ford Transmissions joint venture on Merseyside.

Ford of Europe’s transformation strategy – Sustainable profitability
The company is working swiftly, with significant progress made, to create a sustainably profitable business in Europe. In addition to today’s announcement of the start of the consultation in Bridgend, key actions underway as part of Ford of Europe’s transformation strategy include:

* Near-term actions to improve profitability and reduce structural costs. Parallel longer- term redesign initiatives include a more targeted vehicle line up within three customer- focused business groups – commercial, passenger and imported vehicles
* Confirming 16 new electrified vehicles for Europe, with eight debuting in 2019.
* Leveraging relationships, including an alliance with Volkswagen AG, to support commercial vehicle growth.
* Voluntary employee separation programmes are expected to reduce in excess of 5,000 jobs in Germany, while more than 500 salaried employees have volunteered for packages in the U.K.
* Consolidating Ford of Britain’s and Ford Credit Europe’s headquarters at the Ford Dunton Technical Centre in Essex, U.K., to create a customer-centric technical hub.
* Optimising the European manufacturing footprint and addressing underperforming markets/vehicles, including:
* Ending C-MAX / Grand C-MAX production in Saarlouis, Germany, in June 2019.
* Shift reductions in Saarlouis and Valencia, Spain.
* Restructuring the Ford Sollers joint venture in Russia to focus on growing its commercial vehicle business; discontinuation of all passenger vehicle production in June 2019, with the closure of two vehicle assembly and one engine plant.
* Production at the Ford Aquitaine Industries transmission plant in Bordeaux, France, ends in August 2019."

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post Jun 6 2019, 05:42 PM
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Remeber if we do stay... Every job loss can be blamed on remoaners and staying in the EU.😂
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post Jun 6 2019, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 6 2019, 06:42 PM) *
Remeber if we do stay... Every job loss can be blamed on remoaners and staying in the EU.😂

Oh were staying, remember what I said about cancelling A50? I'll be happy to be staying but incandescent over the actions of the remainer group. Not feeling well? Brexit. Wife left you? Brexit.
Lost your job? Brexit. Raining? Brexit. Oh, and the ultimate weapon of choice? Milkshake! Pathetic. This has set the course of democracy in this country back for decades.
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post Jun 6 2019, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 6 2019, 07:04 PM) *
Oh were staying, remember what I said about cancelling A50? I'll be happy to be staying but incandescent over the actions of the remainer group. Not feeling well? Brexit. Wife left you? Brexit.
Lost your job? Brexit. Raining? Brexit. Oh, and the ultimate weapon of choice? Milkshake! Pathetic. This has set the course of democracy in this country back for decades.

And I do still believe this is our last chance. It's game over otherwise. People think I'm joking but if we don't leave I will join any campaign to finish the HOC and HOL and be ruled directly by unelected "leaders" in Brussels and Strasbourg. And as I have said before I'll welcome conscription to an EU Army. You want EU rule. Your welcome to it.
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post Jun 6 2019, 06:31 PM
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And Peterborough? Gonna be a win for labour. Nobody in their right minds would look down the barrel of a loaded brexit MP and pull the trigger. They might get all be inbred six toed window lickers over there, but they're not mad.
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post Jun 6 2019, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 6 2019, 07:31 PM) *
And Peterborough? Gonna be a win for labour. Nobody in their right minds would look down the barrel of a loaded brexit MP and pull the trigger. They might get all be inbred six toed window lickers over there, but they're not mad.

They are. Just that. Mad at not leaving. So yes I expect a Brexit party MP. It doesn't help that Labour have got a local momentum favourite standing (with dubious anti semite likes in her Twitter history about Jews)..
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post Jun 7 2019, 05:11 AM
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Told ya.
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Told ya.

Yep. It's great..I am looking forward to being re-educated at a camp following the glorious leaders victory at the next GE.
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post Jun 7 2019, 07:02 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 7 2019, 07:37 AM) *
Yep. It's great..I am looking forward to being re-educated at a camp following the glorious leaders victory at the next GE.

The point is the irony. Farage with his Brexit party merely splits the Tory vote ensuring a Labour victory and Brexit less likely. Keep paying your subs. laugh.gif
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post Jun 7 2019, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 6 2019, 05:27 PM) *
From Ford,
"FORD CONFIRMS START OF CONSULTATION ON POTENTIAL CLOSURE OF BRIDGEND ENGINE PLANT IN SUPPORT OF BUSINESS REDESIGN
* Consultation starts concerning the proposed end of engine production and closure of Bridgend Engine Plant in South Wales by late 2020
* Proposal supports Ford’s redesign strategy to create a more efficient and focused business in Europe, with significant progress already being made
* Comprehensive plan includes an enhanced employee separation programme, plus measures to help employees find new jobs or other career opportunities
* Ford will remain a significant employer in the U.K.; engine production maintained at Dagenham; Dunton Technical Centre home to Ford’s European sales-leading commercial vehicle business

COLOGNE, Germany, June 6, 2019 – After detailed consideration, Ford today confirmed the start of a consultation with its unions concerning the potential closure of the Ford Bridgend Engine Plant in South Wales. The proposed action is a necessary step to support Ford’s global business redesign and is part of the company’s strategy to create a more efficient and focused business in Europe.

“Creating a strong and sustainable Ford business in Europe requires us to make some difficult decisions, including the need to scale our global engine manufacturing footprint to best serve our future vehicle portfolio,” said Stuart Rowley, president, Ford of Europe. “We are committed to the U.K.; however, changing customer demand and cost disadvantages, plus an absence of additional engine models for Bridgend going forward make the plant economically unsustainable in the years ahead.”

Factors behind the proposed closure of Bridgend include significant underutilisation of the plant, driven by the impending end of engine production for Jaguar Land Rover, the cessation of the previous generation Ford GTDi 1.5-litre engine, and reduced global demand for the new generation Ford GTDi and Pfi 1.5-litre engine. At expected volumes, the plant also faces a cost disadvantage compared with other Ford facilities building the same engine.

Significant efforts to identify new opportunities have not been successful.

It is proposed that production of the new generation Ford 1.5-litre engine will end at the Bridgend facility in February 2020, with manufacture of the engines supplied to Jaguar Land Rover ceasing in September 2020, when it is proposed that Bridgend will close.

As part of its proposals, Ford also has provided details of a comprehensive plan with an enhanced separation programme for Bridgend employees. This includes helping employees with redeployment opportunities to other Ford sites in the U.K. and assisting with domestic relocation where possible, or supporting them to find new employers or pursue new opportunities, such as creating their own businesses or training for new careers.

“As a major employer in the U.K. for more than a century, we know that closing Bridgend would be difficult for many of our employees,” Rowley said. “We recognise the effects it would have on their families and the communities where they live and, as a responsible employer, we are proposing a plan that would help to ease the impact.”

Ford currently expects to record pre-tax special item charges of about $650 million in relation to the proposed closure of Bridgend. Approximately $400 million of the charges would be paid in cash and are primarily attributable to separation and termination payments for employees. Non-cash charges of approximately $250 million include pension expense and accelerated depreciation and amortization. Most of the pre-tax special item charges would be recorded in 2019, with the cash outflows occurring in 2020, and are part of the $11 billion in EBIT charges with cash-related effects of $7 billion the company expects to take in the redesign of its global business.

Ford’s Bridgend Engine Plant opened in 1977, and today employs around 1,700 employees, including nearly 400 who signed up to a voluntary separation programme earlier this year and will leave between May and December 2019.

Ford is committed to the U.K., where it continues to be the passenger and commercial vehicle sales leader. Even after the proposed closure of Bridgend, Ford will remain a major employer with significant operations in the country.

Ford’s Mobility Innovation Office in London is developing future mobility solutions for Europe, while the Dunton Technical Centre in Essex is home to Ford’s European market- leading commercial vehicle business which is set to play an even more significant role in the future. Ford will continue to produce diesel engines at the Dagenham Engine Plant in east London, and transmissions at the Halewood Getrag Ford Transmissions joint venture on Merseyside.

Ford of Europe’s transformation strategy – Sustainable profitability
The company is working swiftly, with significant progress made, to create a sustainably profitable business in Europe. In addition to today’s announcement of the start of the consultation in Bridgend, key actions underway as part of Ford of Europe’s transformation strategy include:

* Near-term actions to improve profitability and reduce structural costs. Parallel longer- term redesign initiatives include a more targeted vehicle line up within three customer- focused business groups – commercial, passenger and imported vehicles
* Confirming 16 new electrified vehicles for Europe, with eight debuting in 2019.
* Leveraging relationships, including an alliance with Volkswagen AG, to support commercial vehicle growth.
* Voluntary employee separation programmes are expected to reduce in excess of 5,000 jobs in Germany, while more than 500 salaried employees have volunteered for packages in the U.K.
* Consolidating Ford of Britain’s and Ford Credit Europe’s headquarters at the Ford Dunton Technical Centre in Essex, U.K., to create a customer-centric technical hub.
* Optimising the European manufacturing footprint and addressing underperforming markets/vehicles, including:
* Ending C-MAX / Grand C-MAX production in Saarlouis, Germany, in June 2019.
* Shift reductions in Saarlouis and Valencia, Spain.
* Restructuring the Ford Sollers joint venture in Russia to focus on growing its commercial vehicle business; discontinuation of all passenger vehicle production in June 2019, with the closure of two vehicle assembly and one engine plant.
* Production at the Ford Aquitaine Industries transmission plant in Bordeaux, France, ends in August 2019."

Show me the mention of brexit will you?

Show me the businesses that will replace them in order to sell to the EU?

Underlying all of these decisions is Brexit.

If capacity needs cutting the first choice will be the UK because we will be losing access to the single market and frictionless borders. It’s a no brainer.
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post Jun 7 2019, 10:09 AM
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Show me the businesses that will replace them in order to sell to the EU?

Underlying all of these decisions is Brexit.

If capacity needs cutting the first choice will be the UK because we will be losing access to the single market and frictionless borders. It’s a no brainer.

Except Germany and France were let go last year. Silly boy. Still, you can stay here and pay to prop up the failing eurozone 😂
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2...s-business-live
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