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post Apr 19 2020, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 19 2020, 08:36 PM) *
This present little global strife has shown the stark reality of placing political ideology above the mass populace. If the EU had been run as straight forward free trade conglomerate then we would have handled this outbreak as a single unit with the best scientific advice leading it. But no, the leaders still wanted to lead.and look at the result.
Only yesterday tv footage from China still showed a "wet" market in the background with half dead animals trying to escape their torment. Do we deserve to survive as a species? If I had god's job for a day the answer would be very short.


We've both been warning of this Sir Will for years on this forum..as you say you reap what you sow. If this had happened in today's globalised world...can you imagine?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/18/china/gr...intl/index.html

Really think about it.
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post Apr 19 2020, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 19 2020, 09:15 PM) *
We've both been warning of this Sir Will for years on this forum..as you say you reap what you sow. If this had happened in today's globalised world...can you imagine?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/18/china/gr...intl/index.html

Really think about it.


60,000 die as the result of a viral outbreak and the world asks questions, yet only 50 years prior over 30 million were slaughtered during the Taiping Rebellion and the same world did nothing. Seems man is quite happy to slaughter each other with impunity yet are expected to unite when a common enemy presents itself. Poses the question "Do we really want to save lives per se or just our family and friends"? We all know that if the world lost half a billion inhabitants it would not be a bad thing, other than the logistical nightmare, but can you imagine the hysteria.


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post Apr 20 2020, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 19 2020, 10:21 PM) *
We all know that if the world lost half a billion inhabitants it would not be a bad thing, other than the logistical nightmare, but can you imagine the hysteria.


This scenario has already been addressed in the world of fiction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers%3A_Infinity_War
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post Apr 20 2020, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 20 2020, 10:11 AM) *
This scenario has already been addressed in the world of fiction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers%3A_Infinity_War


Looks like a good xmas day film. laugh.gif It's always been in the back of my mind that one day some psychopath, (eg. Hitler / Pol Pot / Genghis Khan), will unleash a viral attack on the world. Now I know there are a lot of reasons why that is not a good idea but I am talking leaders who are barking mad not just evil. But of course we don't have leaders who fall into this category do we. rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 20 2020, 02:53 PM
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Who on here does not have a sneaky admiration for this Country?

https://youtu.be/0WKp9HQZsn4

Bet all the lefties have naughty thoughts over this young lady. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Apr 20 2020, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 20 2020, 03:53 PM) *
Who on here does not have a sneaky admiration for this Country?

https://youtu.be/0WKp9HQZsn4

Bet all the lefties have naughty thoughts over this young lady. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/...-19-relief-fund

Currently as I type oil is -38$ a barrel. The suppliers will pay you to take it away...strange times.

Wonder how the Krankie from up north is feeling?
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post Apr 20 2020, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 20 2020, 08:01 PM) *
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/...-19-relief-fund

Currently as I type oil is -38$ a barrel. The suppliers will pay you to take it away...strange times.

Wonder how the Krankie from up north is feeling?

Thought I'd grab a screen shot for posterity..
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post Apr 20 2020, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 20 2020, 08:01 PM) *
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/...-19-relief-fund

Currently as I type oil is -38$ a barrel. The suppliers will pay you to take it away...strange times.

Wonder how the Krankie from up north is feeling?


She's in her element with a regular spot on bbc at midday and something other than an independent homeland to rant over. My guess is that soon OPEC will be making an approach to the world bank for a few $trillion to tide them over. Assuming Branson has left any in the coffers.


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post Apr 21 2020, 04:47 AM
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Iíve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?
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post Apr 21 2020, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 06:47 AM) *
I’ve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?

I know, not good is it?
If only we had voted in Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Lammy et al we could have been out of this by now.

Bugger!!!!! tongue.gif
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post Apr 21 2020, 05:27 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 05:47 AM) *
Iíve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?


Very well indeed.

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post Apr 21 2020, 06:36 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 05:47 AM) *
Iíve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?

https://mobile.twitter.com/YouGov/status/1252232764096516097

Highest % of the projected vote in political history. So I guess most people think ok.
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post Apr 21 2020, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 05:47 AM) *
Iíve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?


Admittedly they were slow of the mark but half of our ills are down to the fact that the populace were even slower to adopt the distancing rules. We have all seen it and we are suffering the consequences. This virus "loves" high population densities and because of the incubation period of between one and two weeks little wonder it's become so virulent.
Would Corbyn and co have handled it better? Take notice of Starmer's contribution to the war effort and weep.


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post Apr 21 2020, 09:34 AM
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post Apr 21 2020, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 21 2020, 07:36 AM) *
https://mobile.twitter.com/YouGov/status/1252232764096516097

Highest % of the projected vote in political history. So I guess most people think ok.

I think Johnson will be lucky to survive this. Itís been disastrous. Most people Iíve spoken to are appalled.
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post Apr 21 2020, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 08:19 PM) *
I think Johnson will be lucky to survive this. Itís been disastrous. Most people Iíve spoken to are appalled.


Far be it for me to defend any government let alone this but one has to ask serious questions of those who's job it is to co-ordinate the logistics surrounding this little glitch in our otherwise sanitised lives.
Who told HMG that we had ample supplies of PPE when it is patently obvious we never did?
Who "conveniently" overlooked that the most vulnerable, ie those in nursing homes, would need the most protection?
Who allowed supermarkets to initially allow people to clear the shelves at the expense of the elderly, and by doing so encourage long queues to form in contrary of the distancing advice?

The list is endless and most of these issues should have been raised by senior civil servants so the respective minister could act accordingly.

If evidence comes to light that the government was well aware then your analogy will be correct and they are deserving of all our vitriol, but I think they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.



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post Apr 21 2020, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 21 2020, 09:21 PM) *
Far be it for me to defend any government let alone this but one has to ask serious questions of those who's job it is to co-ordinate the logistics surrounding this little glitch in our otherwise sanitised lives.
Who told HMG that we had ample supplies of PPE when it is patently obvious we never did?
Who "conveniently" overlooked that the most vulnerable, ie those in nursing homes, would need the most protection?
Who allowed supermarkets to initially allow people to clear the shelves at the expense of the elderly, and by doing so encourage long queues to form in contrary of the distancing advice?

The list is endless and most of these issues should have been raised by senior civil servants so the respective minister could act accordingly.

If evidence comes to light that the government was well aware then your analogy will be correct and they are deserving of all our vitriol, but I think they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Should we have locked down in January. Yes.
Should we have closed the borders to all traffic apart from trade. Yes.
Would the government have been called "racists" and "dictators" by the #fbpe cult and all the left wing commentators. Yes.

The pandemic has shed a light on the disaster that is globalisation.
It has also shed a light on how poor most of the world are in dealing with such an outbreak.

The WHO need to not accept any stories from states about pathogens / viruses as well and visit ground zero when these things hit. China did lie. And the WHO bought it.

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post Apr 21 2020, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 08:19 PM) *
I think Johnson will be lucky to survive this. It’s been disastrous. Most people I’ve spoken to are appalled.

Well thankfully, the opinions of the kind of left wing window licking soschuul meja haunting idiots you're likely to know bare little weight and even less importance.
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post Apr 22 2020, 04:49 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 21 2020, 09:48 PM) *
Should we have locked down in January. Yes.
Should we have closed the borders to all traffic apart from trade. Yes.
Would the government have been called "racists" and "dictators" by the #fbpe cult and all the left wing commentators. Yes.

The pandemic has shed a light on the disaster that is globalisation.
It has also shed a light on how poor most of the world are in dealing with such an outbreak.

The WHO need to not accept any stories from states about pathogens / viruses as well and visit ground zero when these things hit. China did lie. And the WHO bought it.

Strawman. No one suggested closingBorders in January.

Should they have joined the EU PPE and ventilator scheme? - Yes.
Would locking down a week earlier have saved thousands of lives? - Yes
Should those that die in care homes be counted as dead? - Yes
Are we continuing to allow thousands into the country a day unchecked? - Yes
Should Boris Johnson have attended Cobra meetings sooner? - Yes
Is the truth important? - Yes

You are clearly on the extreme right of politics and buy into conspiracy nonsense.
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post Apr 22 2020, 05:46 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 21 2020, 11:49 PM) *
Well thankfully, the opinions of the kind of left wing window licking soschuul meja haunting idiots you're likely to know bare little weight and even less importance.

You forgot 'remoaner", by the way.


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