NEW L.E.D Street Lighting..., CONFIRMED, L.E.D Street Lights actually make light pollution WORSE! Options

[Gazzadp]

So it has NOW been proven that the NEW L.E.D Street Lights actually make light pollution WORSE!

I did say EXACTLY the same thing when the street lights on the A4 in Newbury were first changed to LED's! :/ Sadly though West Berkshire Council will not take any notice of anybody or anything as they believe that they, their staff and councillors are totally omnipotent and unable to get things WRONG!

http://www.techinsider.io/astronaut-photos...nasa-esa-2015-8

[motormad]

That's the price of low energy...

[CrackerJack]

It's brighter, it improves road safety as a consequence and it's cheaper. It ticks those boxes and that's sufficient for most of us..

If you're worried about light pollution move out to the sticks. If you still think it's too bright then pull your curtains and fit blackout blinds

[Andy Capp]

It's brighter, it improves road safety as a consequence and it's cheaper. It ticks those boxes and that's sufficient for most of us..

If you're worried about light pollution move out to the sticks. If you still think it's too bright then pull your curtains and fit blackout blinds

That is a very myopic and ignorant view.

From the same article:

"LEDs worsen light pollution by giving off more blue and green light than the high-pressure sodium lights they normally replace. And this artificial light pollution washes out the night sky and is linked to many negative consequences. Disrupted night and day cycles can confuse nocturnal animals and alter their hunting interactions, migratory patterns, and internal physiology.

It can also mess with our internal clocks. We produce melatonin at night to help us sleep, which is regulated by light and dark cycles. If we're exposed to light at night, this can suppress melatonin levels, leading to sleep disorders or other problems such as headaches, anxiety, and obesity."


People shouldn't have to move, and all the difficulties that presents, just because we have ignorant councils and governments.

Here's a Wiki on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution

[motormad]

I think LED lighting has a place for sure. But not everywhere. Maybe in "at risk" crime rich areas.

[Andy Capp]

What we would benefit from is intelligent LED lighting.

[On the edge]

What we would benefit from is intelligent LED lighting.

Yep! ....and that's exactly what you were going to get; 'till dear Gordon Brown noticed 'PFI Contracts'. Who says Labour doesn't need to change direction!

[CrackerJack]

That is a very myopic and ignorant view.

From the same article: [snip]

It can also mess with our internal clocks. We produce melatonin at night to help us sleep, which is regulated by light and dark cycles. If we're exposed to light at night, this can suppress melatonin levels, leading to sleep disorders or other problems such as headaches, anxiety, and obesity."

That paragraph from this very dubious <ahem> 'scientific' article is such a crock of s*** ('nonsense') though isn't it.

For those who point to the 'messing with our internal clocks' argument when talking about street lighting effects, that can be said of humankind since the first humanoid knuckle-dragger discovered fire and found a way to be able to keep doing things in their cave, despite the sun having gone past the horizon hours earlier. We've been trying to get the most out of those precious few 24 hours for millennia!

These days we have TVs burning LED HD imagery into the backs of our eyeballs throughout the night, or computer LED screens doing the same, or LED lighting throughout the house, or a thousand other 'bright white' light sources in our every day nocturnal life that can account for keeping us awake.. The impact that a few lumens of indirect streetlighting pollution might have on us when compared to the direct assault that goes on daily onto the eyeballs from a few minutes of exposure to 'Strictly' or any other TV programme is absolutely negligible and the argument's absurd.

To blame LED streetlighting for obesity is just so random it's laughable!! Let's go back to a world without night light shall we? ...or candles....

I fully understand the argument about the effect it has on wildlife, but to say light pollution from streetlighting is a significant factor in reducing melatonin, and LED lighting in particular is the biggest offender, is just pathetic.

LED lighting directs a more intense spectrum onto the target in a very efficient manner.. It's less energy dependant and it's brighter, so it ticks certain 'Green' boxes depending on your point of view at that time.

If the road surface is wet I would imagine that that strong beam will cause more light bounce and, yes, there will be an increase in overall light pollution when viewed from space as shown in those photos from the space station. And if there's cloud cover that bounced light will reflect back down again before it gets to the eyes of the watching astronaut.

But to point at street lights and say 'Bad' and then go home and settle down in front of an LED TV and say 'good' is a kinda myopic and ignorant viewpoint too, .....wouldn't you agree?






The top photo is from 2012.... and it's blurred....
The other photo from 2015.

It's not conclusive proof of light pollution.... I'd say the astronaut has just bought a better camera....

[Andy Capp]

But to point at street lights and say 'Bad' and then go home and settle down in front of an LED TV and say 'good' is a kinda myopic and ignorant viewpoint too, .....wouldn't you agree?

Perhaps, if this statement was based on fact, but as it is not what was stated (it is your strawman argument), I cannot agree.