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Andy Capp
post Oct 2 2016, 10:25 PM
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Great, still no pass for The tip! Any idea why this dumb scheme wasn't delayed?
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post Oct 3 2016, 05:27 AM
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Got mine last week. Very sparkly! But it seems to me that the costs involved in production and distribution of said passes, plus the cost to monitor their use will surely obviate any cost savings?


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post Oct 3 2016, 06:39 AM
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Got mine last week. Very sparkly! But it seems to me that the costs involved in production and distribution of said passes, plus the cost to monitor their use will surely obviate any cost savings?


Well, speculate to accumulate. This is a very good test for differential access, so that service delivery is fair to us all. Probably the reasoning behind the fences round the kids area in Victoria Park and the idea of Wharf toilet charging. If you don't have your card, you either pay or you don't get in. Done properly, NTC customers would get a discount by showing their card when using the market. Greenham Parish will welcome this, because non Greenies will have to pay their way when the Control Tower opens. Why should we pay for others? It's only a few Hants residents getting upset; but if they think about it, they have to go to Basingstoke to change their library books or visit a museum.


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post Oct 3 2016, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 3 2016, 07:39 AM) *
Well, speculate to accumulate. This is a very good test for differential access, so that service delivery is fair to us all. Probably the reasoning behind the fences round the kids area in Victoria Park and the idea of Wharf toilet charging. If you don't have your card, you either pay or you don't get in. Done properly, NTC customers would get a discount by showing their card when using the market. Greenham Parish will welcome this, because non Greenies will have to pay their way when the Control Tower opens. Why should we pay for others? It's only a few Hants residents getting upset; but if they think about it, they have to go to Basingstoke to change their library books or visit a museum.

I presume devolving waste disposal management this way adds cost to the country's tax payer.
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post Oct 3 2016, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 2 2016, 11:25 PM) *
Great, still no pass for The tip! Any idea why this dumb scheme wasn't delayed?



You do live in West Berks I take it?
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post Oct 3 2016, 09:40 AM
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I presume devolving waste disposal management this way adds cost to the country's tax payer.


And why not? We want public services, we have to pay for them. After all, as I found recently, car parking charges are a bit cheaper in Basingstoke. These Hants. people can't have it both ways. We could, of course, have waste management run centrally; but that would inevitably mean a loss of admin jobs in the area, carrying on as we are now at least means we are maintaining, indeed even increasing, local employment.

As you've noticed, there has been some delay in getting the passes issued. However, given that the decision was only taken very recently; that any have been issued at all is a tribute to the hard work and effort by the administration. Resource is cut to the bone anyway because of the effect of last year's budget. For the Councillors and their senior advisers, it must have been a very difficult decision to make; not one we'd have much hope of solving.

And that's probably why we vote the same people into office every time we have a chance. Now perhaps we can concentrate our minds on a very serious issue; replenishment of grit bins, which needs to be done before Winter strikes; if it isn't, no one gets to the dump, pass or not.





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post Oct 3 2016, 09:47 AM
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Copied below from our patron's newspaper. If Hampshire people can do this, they can afford to put a recycling centre at Newtown or in the vicinity.




Tadley's youth centre, The Point, official opening

TADLEY’s new £900,000 youth centre is officially open after the ribbon was snipped by Basingstoke and Deane Borough councillor Marilyn Tucker (Con, Pamber and Silchester).

Also at the official opening of The Point, which is situated behind Tadley and District Community Centre, Newchurch Road, was Adrian Noad, the chairman of Tadley and District Community Association, which oversaw the project and manages both buildings.

Chairman of Tadley Town Council David Leeks was also there on the day in a show of support. The town council had provided some £160,000 of taxpayers’ money towards the project.

According to the community association, for every £1 contributed by Tadley council taxpayers, it has secured an additional £2.88 in grants or donations towards the project.

In an online statement, the association said The Point had proved an ambitious project.

“The land, that was purchased by Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council from Hampshire County Council for just £1, is likely to be land- locked in future years when houses are constructed on the adjoining former school site.

“To develop this site there was really the only one opportunity to ensure that a lasting legacy could be delivered for the area’s youngsters.

“The design of the building was inspired by the young people of Tadley themselves when they contributed to the feasibility study in October 2013.”

The doors of the youth centre were opened at the end of April, after months of setbacks and delays.

Eight years in the making, The Point began to take shape in August last year, ahead of an initial scheduled opening date in November.

The opening was put back until January this year, owing to a shortage of skilled craftsmen, in particular carpenters, to finish the construction of the timber building, which then slipped back further to April.

The new £900,000 community facility will be available to the area’s 11- to 19-year-olds from 4pm to 9pm on Mondays to Fridays, and includes a café area and meeting hall, equipped with pool tables, video games, music and free wi-fi.

Available to the wider community during the daytime and weekends, The Point features additional meeting rooms, a first-floor performance hall and a fully- equipped recording studio.

Funds for the building include: public works loan – £150,000; Turbury Allotment Charity – £300,000; Greenham Common Trust – £65,000; Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council – £182,300; and Tadley Town Council – £160,000.

Local businesses offering sponsorship and donations are still being sought, to fund furnishings and equipment. Volunteers for the café area are also needed.

For more details contact Tadley and District Community Association on (0118) 981 4538


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post Oct 3 2016, 10:44 AM
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Copied below from our patron's newspaper. If Hampshire people can do this, they can afford to put a recycling centre at Newtown or in the vicinity.


Or they could save the money needed to create, staff and run a new recycling centre by paying WBC for the use of their existing sites.
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post Oct 3 2016, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 3 2016, 10:47 AM) *
Copied below from our patron's newspaper. If Hampshire people can do this, they can afford to put a recycling centre at Newtown or in the vicinity.




Tadley's youth centre, The Point, official opening

TADLEY’s new £900,000 youth centre is officially open after the ribbon was snipped by Basingstoke and Deane Borough councillor Marilyn Tucker (Con, Pamber and Silchester).

Also at the official opening of The Point, which is situated behind Tadley and District Community Centre, Newchurch Road, was Adrian Noad, the chairman of Tadley and District Community Association, which oversaw the project and manages both buildings.

Chairman of Tadley Town Council David Leeks was also there on the day in a show of support. The town council had provided some £160,000 of taxpayers’ money towards the project.

According to the community association, for every £1 contributed by Tadley council taxpayers, it has secured an additional £2.88 in grants or donations towards the project.

In an online statement, the association said The Point had proved an ambitious project.

“The land, that was purchased by Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council from Hampshire County Council for just £1, is likely to be land- locked in future years when houses are constructed on the adjoining former school site.

“To develop this site there was really the only one opportunity to ensure that a lasting legacy could be delivered for the area’s youngsters.

“The design of the building was inspired by the young people of Tadley themselves when they contributed to the feasibility study in October 2013.”

The doors of the youth centre were opened at the end of April, after months of setbacks and delays.

Eight years in the making, The Point began to take shape in August last year, ahead of an initial scheduled opening date in November.

The opening was put back until January this year, owing to a shortage of skilled craftsmen, in particular carpenters, to finish the construction of the timber building, which then slipped back further to April.

The new £900,000 community facility will be available to the area’s 11- to 19-year-olds from 4pm to 9pm on Mondays to Fridays, and includes a café area and meeting hall, equipped with pool tables, video games, music and free wi-fi.

Available to the wider community during the daytime and weekends, The Point features additional meeting rooms, a first-floor performance hall and a fully- equipped recording studio.

Funds for the building include: public works loan – £150,000; Turbury Allotment Charity – £300,000; Greenham Common Trust – £65,000; Basingstoke and Deane Borough Council – £182,300; and Tadley Town Council – £160,000.

Local businesses offering sponsorship and donations are still being sought, to fund furnishings and equipment. Volunteers for the café area are also needed.

For more details contact Tadley and District Community Association on (0118) 981 4538

Interesting. But it makes me wonder why West Berks can't fund even basic community services but Basingstoke can?
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post Oct 3 2016, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Oct 3 2016, 11:44 AM) *
Or they could save the money needed to create, staff and run a new recycling centre by paying WBC for the use of their existing sites.


That's where the difficulty is Blackdog. Apparently, they can't although senior people from WBC have suggested just that. Inter Council working seems to make superficial sense, but past experience, when councils tried sharing admin shows it is ineffective, even if the rules made it possible. I think we can see that round here, there are often arguments and tussles between WBC and its own parish councils. WBC do at least try. The other big issue is that Reading might jump on that particular bandwaggon an exoect us in West Berkshire to cough up in respect of WBC residents living on the boarder. Where would it end?


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post Oct 3 2016, 12:31 PM
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Interesting. But it makes me wonder why West Berks can't fund even basic community services but Basingstoke can?


Well, it may be because the subsidy they've been paying us for use of the dump until now has been too low. They also have a County Council which has funds as well.


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post Oct 3 2016, 01:20 PM
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That's where the difficulty is Blackdog. Apparently, they can't although senior people from WBC have suggested just that. Inter Council working seems to make superficial sense, but past experience, when councils tried sharing admin shows it is ineffective, even if the rules made it possible. I think we can see that round here, there are often arguments and tussles between WBC and its own parish councils. WBC do at least try. The other big issue is that Reading might jump on that particular bandwaggon an exoect us in West Berkshire to cough up in respect of WBC residents living on the boarder. Where would it end?


Of course they could - they have been doing so for years. Of course they aren't going to provide an alternative local tip for Hants residents, it's all about cutting the budget - never mind the inconvenience and cost to the residents who will have to drive half an hour or more to get to a tip.

All in all I blame the Government.
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post Oct 3 2016, 03:08 PM
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Of course they could - they have been doing so for years. Of course they aren't going to provide an alternative local tip for Hants residents, it's all about cutting the budget - never mind the inconvenience and cost to the residents who will have to drive half an hour or more to get to a tip.

All in all I blame the Government.


Can't be right; the Government, Basingstoke and WBC are all Tory. They must talk to each other and their LibDem coalition bedfellows who came up with the central settlement. The government are into localism, so they wouldn't be doing anything to damage that would they? So of this can have been a surprise to our local administrators. Yes, its an inconvenience but it keeps jobs in the district.

I'm sure if we saw the original business case for doing the subsidy with the other councils we'd all see that not recharging and just carrying on on a 'knock for knock' basis was not an option.

Let's face it lots of people come along the 339 from Basingstoke way, presumably all from Hampshire. I've even seen some coming down the other road laden with rubbish, again must be from Hampshire.

Our local political and financial experts have worked out that passes are the right way forward; we ought to trust the experts.


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post Oct 3 2016, 06:12 PM
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And why not? We want public services, we have to pay for them.

Adds cost, to the cost that was there when there was a mutual agreement. In other words, more money is spent administering than would otherwise had been the case.
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post Oct 3 2016, 09:19 PM
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Adds cost, to the cost that was there when there was a mutual agreement. In other words, more money is spent administering than would otherwise had been the case.


Surely that can't be the case, as you rightly say the scheme will need ongoing monitoring and enforcement at least. The existing transfer of monies must simply pay for the additional rubbish to be processed and no 'profit'. That means to us lay people, the new scheme seems all extra cost. The officials and politicos who came up with this must know that; which therefore means they'll have made a saving elsewhere, or managed to get a grant. I think, therefore, that the cost is negligible, otherwise the LibDem opposition would be making a huge fuss about it; protest marches and outbursts in the Council.


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.....otherwise the LibDem opposition would be making a huge fuss about it; protest marches and outbursts in the Council.

What.... ....with FOUR LibDem Councillors and 48 Conservatives?? Not the greatest of odds for a vocal and effective opposition to make themselves heard.
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post Oct 4 2016, 06:41 AM
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What.... ....with FOUR LibDem Councillors and 48 Conservatives?? Not the greatest of odds for a vocal and effective opposition to make themselves heard.


....it only takes ONE!


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Surely that can't be the case, as you rightly say the scheme will need ongoing monitoring and enforcement at least. The existing transfer of monies must simply pay for the additional rubbish to be processed and no 'profit'. That means to us lay people, the new scheme seems all extra cost. The officials and politicos who came up with this must know that; which therefore means they'll have made a saving elsewhere, or managed to get a grant. I think, therefore, that the cost is negligible, otherwise the LibDem opposition would be making a huge fuss about it; protest marches and outbursts in the Council.

Yes, the beauty of our democracy is the rigorous scrutiny from the opposition.
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I notice the Penwood tip is open for fly tipping and that's open 24 hours.
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post Oct 4 2016, 08:28 AM
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Didn't this whole debacle start because WBC decided it didn't want tocontinue paying a contribution to RE3 to allow West Berks residents in tielhurst and calcot etc to use the Reading tip. So RE3 brought in a permit scheme to identify Reading, Wokingham & Bracknell residenets for their tip (which has a cost not least the guys sat on the gate at Longshot lane and Whitley checking the passes), then Hants said to WBC "if you aren't paying RE3 why should we be making a voluntary contribution to you, so WBC have had to bring in a permit scheme for it's tips to ensure no Hants residents use them (and they need to upgrade the Padworth site for the extra volume coming from the West side of Reading to it now.

So as far as I can see WBC dont pay RE3 but don't get money from Hants and Reading, Wokingham, Bracknell and West Berkshire residents are all having to pay for a permit scheme and it's compliance which didnt exist before - please can someone point me to the overall saving to tax payers ?
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