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post Feb 21 2012, 07:14 PM
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Not strictly Newbury related but it's more news than it is a rant so...

What are peoples thoughts on this? For it, against it? I heard about it on the local radio station news today.

I have a very elaborate opinion on the subject, but an NDA between myself and the lawyers of a once famous singer means I mustn't Cher (if you see what I did there)
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Andy Capp
post Feb 21 2012, 07:27 PM
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It doesn't affect me from a smoking point of view, but it is a nuisance having to walk outside to continue the conversation!
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post Feb 21 2012, 07:31 PM
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I think smoking should be banned in all public places. It's disgusting, smelly, messy and down right anti social.
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Adrian Hollister
post Feb 21 2012, 11:35 PM
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Consumption of drugs should be a personal choice - not something promoted by society and not forced on other people (such as through obvious consumption in a public area).
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post Feb 21 2012, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Feb 21 2012, 11:35 PM) *
Consumption of drugs should be a personal choice - not something promoted by society and not forced on other people (such as through obvious consumption in a public area).


What about non-consumption? What conduct should not be 'personal choice'?
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Adrian Hollister
post Feb 22 2012, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 21 2012, 11:59 PM) *
What about non-consumption? What conduct should not be 'personal choice'?

Now those are the real debating points.
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post Feb 22 2012, 10:19 AM
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I am with the landlady who has banned all non smokers from the pub garden.
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post Feb 22 2012, 10:55 AM
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I reckon its the nanny state going to far. Fair enough banning smoking inside public places but banning smoking outside is a joke. If you dont like smokers then dont stand by a smoker if he/she is smoking outside.

Maybe they should ban alcohol from pubs as thats a drug also
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post Feb 22 2012, 10:58 AM
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I think I heard they have banned smoking from some public parks in the states?
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post Feb 22 2012, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE (desres123 @ Feb 22 2012, 11:55 AM) *
I reckon its the nanny state going to far. Fair enough banning smoking inside public places but banning smoking outside is a joke. If you dont like smokers then dont stand by a smoker if he/she is smoking outside.

Maybe they should ban alcohol from pubs as thats a drug also

Smoking is allegedly banned at railway stations but many seem to ignore.
Do your views apply there also, i.e. don't stand by them?
Do you have a choice if waiting for a train?
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post Feb 22 2012, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 22 2012, 10:59 AM) *
Smoking is allegedly banned at railway stations but many seem to ignore.
Do your views apply there also, i.e. don't stand by them?
Do you have a choice if waiting for a train?


Depends on what time of day if the station was busy then it reasonable for a smoker not to smoke but if station was empty then if you dont like the smoke then you can move further down the platform. No different to walking down Northbrook street same air
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post Feb 22 2012, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (desres123 @ Feb 22 2012, 11:09 AM) *
...if you dont like the smoke then you can move further down the platform. No different to walking down Northbrook street same air


But what if someone who is smoking comes and stands near to you. Should it always be down to the non-smoker to get out of the smoker's way?
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post Feb 22 2012, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (massifheed @ Feb 22 2012, 11:23 AM) *
But what if someone who is smoking come and stands near to you. Should it always be down to the non-smoker to get out of the smoker's way?


I am a smoker myself and if i was smoking already then it would be reasonable for the non smoker to move away. If i had just lit one up then it would be reasonable for me to move away.

I like to add I dont smoke in non smoking areas.
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post Feb 22 2012, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE (desres123 @ Feb 22 2012, 11:28 AM) *
I am a smoker myself and if i was smoking already then it would be reasonable for the non smoker to move away. If i had just lit one up then it would be reasonable for me to move away.

I like to add I dont smoke in non smoking areas.


I agree with the smoking ban in buildings and enclosed areas to where others have access, but in public open spaces? No.

Smoking is now banned at stations too, no problem with that either, but I think that the exhaust pollutants of the diesel trains are potentially more injurious to health than someone having a crafty fag somewhere on the platform.
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post Feb 22 2012, 05:35 PM
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Perhaps the definition should be to allow consumption of drugs where anybody around would be in full consent. i.e. stations are unlikely cos people hate going to work stinking of smoke; but private clubs that are pro-dugs could be labeled as such. There would have to be exclusions such as children, vulnerable, and health etc as well as input from the community.
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post Feb 22 2012, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (Vodabury @ Feb 22 2012, 04:51 PM) *
I agree with the smoking ban in buildings and enclosed areas to where others have access, but in public open spaces? No.

Smoking is now banned at stations too, no problem with that either, but I think that the exhaust pollutants of the diesel trains are potentially more injurious to health than someone having a crafty fag somewhere on the platform.

I don't care to much about the health side - it's the stink that you smokers all carry round, and the mess you make. Plus if I walk through your smoke I then stink as well.
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post Feb 22 2012, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 22 2012, 05:40 PM) *
I don't care to much about the health side - it's the stink that you smokers all carry round, and the mess you make. Plus if I walk through your smoke I then stink as well.


A bit of a crude generalisation and incorrectly personalised, I think.

I know some people who smoke, and if I was not at a social event in their own garden, then I would not know they indulged.

The stench and uncivil behaviour I notice in public areas (and especially on evening trains) is most often caused by excessive alcohol consumption. Most of the litter I see is from fast food consumption.

If an inconsiderate smoker (or anyone else for that matter) drops litter or makes your clothes smell, then you should pick them up on their behaviour.

I have challenged a guy who started smoking on a train, and when he stood up and towered over me I began to wish I hadn’t. But (to his credit and my good fortune) he and cigarette cleared off out of the compartment.
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post Feb 22 2012, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (Vodabury @ Feb 22 2012, 09:19 PM) *
I have challenged a guy who started smoking on a train

WOW! Brave man (woman??)
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post Feb 22 2012, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE (Vodabury @ Feb 22 2012, 07:19 PM) *
I have challenged a guy who started smoking on a train, and when he stood up and towered over me I began to wish I hadn’t. But (to his credit and my good fortune) he and cigarette cleared off out of the carriage.


Did poo come out?

Often why it's better to complain on a forum rather than get your booty kicked in RL.
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post Feb 22 2012, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 22 2012, 05:40 PM) *
I don't care to much about the health side - it's the stink that you smokers all carry round, and the mess you make. Plus if I walk through your smoke I then stink as well.



So how slow do you walk to accumulate a stink?


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