Welcome to Newburytoday.co.uk’s message boards where you can have your say and share your views on any number of issues.
Anyone can read messages, but only registered users can post messages, reply to messages or create new topics. As part of the free and simple registration, you will be asked to read and conform to the house rules.
To register, click here ……Enjoy the debate. Newbury Today Forum > Categories > Random Rants
|
|
God Squad... |
|
|
|
Oct 25 2011, 02:06 PM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 7,847
Joined: 23-May 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 98
|
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 25 2011, 02:10 PM) No door knockers? Does it apply to god squad as well as door to door salesman or are the god squad actually door to door salesman in any case??? By strict interpretation, yes it does - it's still cold calling. So is charity collecting, political canvassing, carol singers, trick or treat and people doing surveys. Someone told me that it only covered 'commercial' activity - but then many churches, charities and such like are governed by 'commercial' holding companies. Perhaps Wash Common could be renamed Coventry?
--------------------
Know your place!
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 25 2011, 07:21 PM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 6,326
Joined: 20-July 10
From: Wash Common
Member No.: 1,011
|
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 25 2011, 10:23 AM) Being agnostic I do get a little peeved with being bothered by god squad door knockers. Was watching Corrie last night and enjoying a nice glass of pinot and I get 2 foreign gentlemen bothering me. Still after telling a little porkie and explaining that I was a scientist and that Richard Dawkins was a hero of mine they soon left..... You seem confused. As an agnostic, Richard Dawkins' certainty of the non-existence of a deity would be as objectionable to you as a god-botherer's zeal.
--------------------
Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 26 2011, 07:27 AM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 4,327
Joined: 15-May 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 60
|
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 25 2011, 08:21 PM) You seem confused. As an agnostic, Richard Dawkins' certainty of the non-existence of a deity would be as objectionable to you as a god-botherer's zeal. Not confuesd. Just wanted rid so I lied. Thank you.
|
|
|
|
Guest_xjay1337_*
|
Oct 26 2011, 08:39 AM
|
Guests
|
I respect peoples religious beliefs but what is it with religious people (mainly Christians) who try and force their opinion and beliefs upon someone else...it's completely daft, selfish, and surely contradicts Jesus' prophecies about loving thy neighbour and all that rubbish. And what's with this weird thing they do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RYq-KiKjrMFurther to that, the pope saying Condoms wouldn't help Africa's aids problem was a joke, much like how Jesus is always somehow a very tall thin man, with a beard.
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 26 2011, 09:00 AM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 5,064
Joined: 26-May 09
Member No.: 103
|
Remember that old joke..........................? What's the difference between a Skoda and a Jehovah's Witness.........................................? You can shut the door on a Jehovah's Witness! (Don't suppose it applies now does it as I believe they are now quite good cars>?) The point being TDH - just shut the door!!
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 26 2011, 12:26 PM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 6,326
Joined: 20-July 10
From: Wash Common
Member No.: 1,011
|
QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Oct 26 2011, 09:39 AM) I respect peoples religious beliefs but what is it with religious people (mainly Christians) who try and force their opinion and beliefs upon someone else...it's completely daft, selfish, and surely contradicts Jesus' prophecies about loving thy neighbour and all that rubbish. And what's with this weird thing they do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RYq-KiKjrMFurther to that, the pope saying Condoms wouldn't help Africa's aids problem was a joke, much like how Jesus is always somehow a very tall thin man, with a beard. Not that you do, but why would you want to respect someone's religious belief's any more than, say, their cultural, moral, political, or scientific beliefs? And then again, if it isn't doing you any harm, why would you want to disrespect someone else's beliefs? I don't see how any particular belief should be beyound question, criticism, or ridicule, nor why it should necessarily be wrong just because I don't share it. Do Christians try and force their opinions and beliefs on others? Politicians never stop badgering us to believe what they profess, but I don't actually come accross a Christian too often who wants to preach the gospel. You neither it would seem: The prophesy about lions and lambs was Isiah, and the Golden Rule about treating others how you'd be treated youself is common to pretty much all religeous and moral teaching (apart from maybe the Old Religion, and the Norse).
--------------------
Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
|
|
|
|
Guest_xjay1337_*
|
Oct 26 2011, 12:32 PM
|
Guests
|
So take the conservative party election manifesto; basically a load of things which sound enticing, likely to have happened, and interesting stories but ultimately it was all lies?
I suppose one could liken politics to religion.
I personally to to disrespect everyone's moral beliefs because they're all ****
(that part was made up)
Without wanting to get into a whole religious debate, and all that - treating others how you want to be treated isn't really religion, it's common sense and basic human nice-ness. Neither are many "religious preachings"...it's just common sense. Although if you think about it in a factual type of way, the religion I would most likely follow (if I had a hard knock on the head, for example) would be Buddhism as that's what my personal ethos mirrors most.
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 26 2011, 01:13 PM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 2,945
Joined: 5-June 09
Member No.: 130
|
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 25 2011, 10:23 AM) Being agnostic I do get a little peeved with being bothered by god squad door knockers. Was watching Corrie last night and enjoying a nice glass of pinot and I get 2 foreign gentlemen bothering me. Still after telling a little porkie and explaining that I was a scientist and that Richard Dawkins was a hero of mine they soon left..... As an agnostic you should welcome them - they are only trying to help you come off the fence. Mind you its not often we get an athiest knocking on the door trying to persuade us to join them in their disbelief.
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 26 2011, 01:18 PM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 4,327
Joined: 15-May 09
From: Newbury
Member No.: 60
|
QUOTE (blackdog @ Oct 26 2011, 02:13 PM) As an agnostic you should welcome them - they are only trying to help you come off the fence. Mind you its not often we get an athiest knocking on the door trying to persuade us to join them in their disbelief. I have no objection to people believing in anything they want. I do object to people believing they have a right to 'convert'. People should be allowed to have free will. And in a lot of cases where individuals are open to 'persuasion' then free will can be compromised (in my opinion).
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 26 2011, 03:13 PM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 6,326
Joined: 20-July 10
From: Wash Common
Member No.: 1,011
|
QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Oct 26 2011, 01:32 PM) So take the conservative party election manifesto; basically a load of things which sound enticing, likely to have happened, and interesting stories but ultimately it was all lies? And you read their election manifesto did you?
--------------------
Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 26 2011, 03:25 PM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 6,326
Joined: 20-July 10
From: Wash Common
Member No.: 1,011
|
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 26 2011, 02:18 PM) I have no objection to people believing in anything they want. I do object to people believing they have a right to 'convert'. People should be allowed to have free will. And in a lot of cases where individuals are open to 'persuasion' then free will can be compromised (in my opinion). It's a problem isn't it, being open to persuasion. But there is an answer...
--------------------
Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
|
|
|
|
Guest_xjay1337_*
|
Oct 26 2011, 10:30 PM
|
Guests
|
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 26 2011, 04:13 PM) And you read their election manifesto did you? Are you like a pet poodle for Mr Cameron? Any time anyone says anything against the Conservative party you do get quite the hump. Did they ruin your allotment as well? To answer your question, not in entirety, but I had to read it as, I was rudely interrupted by a door-to-door salesman (I say salesman, he was a tory "supporter") doing the whole "PLEASE VOTE TORY I BEG YOU" routine and thrust several leaflets into my pants. (I was half naked at the time) After getting over the large bulge in my crotch (it was a pen, I wasn't very happy to see him), he asked me who I was likely to vote for and I said Lib Dems (at the time) and rather than having a reasoned discussion about what I liked about their manifesto and proposed policies, he said, basically, everyone else was poo, labour ruined the country, the Liberals are morons and that David Cameron was some sort of hero. I said I didn't think David understood the normal sort of working class people that most of us are, and would be a poor leader making judgements which contradicted public opinion, and oh - guess what, that's what's happening! Needless to say I would have given this chap an hour of my time to listen or whatever but if some supporters/members of parties are so...affirmative...in their beliefs then there's no point having a discussion. In the end I didn't vote because I couldn't be bothered. Just watching Ms. Spankhurts... Being watched in bed by aliens, well.......gotta get material somewhere.
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 26 2011, 10:49 PM
|
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 11,902
Joined: 3-September 09
Member No.: 317
|
QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Oct 26 2011, 01:32 PM) So take the conservative party election manifesto; basically a load of things which sound enticing, likely to have happened, and interesting stories but ultimately it was all lies? QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 26 2011, 04:13 PM) And you read their election manifesto did you? QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Oct 26 2011, 11:30 PM) Are you like a pet poodle for Mr Cameron? Any time anyone says anything against the Conservative party you do get quite the hump. Did they ruin your allotment as well?
To answer your question, not in entirety, but I had to read it as, I was rudely interrupted by a door-to-door salesman (I say salesman, he was a tory "supporter") doing the whole "PLEASE VOTE TORY I BEG YOU" routine and thrust several leaflets into my pants. (I was half naked at the time)
After getting over the large bulge in my crotch (it was a pen, I wasn't very happy to see him), he asked me who I was likely to vote for and I said Lib Dems (at the time) and rather than having a reasoned discussion about what I liked about their manifesto and proposed policies, he said, basically, everyone else was poo, labour ruined the country, the Liberals are morons and that David Cameron was some sort of hero. I said I didn't think David understood the normal sort of working class people that most of us are, and would be a poor leader making judgements which contradicted public opinion, and oh - guess what, that's what's happening! Needless to say I would have given this chap an hour of my time to listen or whatever but if some supporters/members of parties are so...affirmative...in their beliefs then there's no point having a discussion.
In the end I didn't vote because I couldn't be bothered. I'll take that as a no then.
|
|
|
|
|
|
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
|
|