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> Halal, why should we put up with this?, If fox hunting with dogs is outlawed, why not Halal?
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post Jan 1 2012, 09:28 PM
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Perhaps our MP's are finally going in the right direction.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20...r.html#comments


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post Jan 2 2012, 09:35 AM
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Interesting eclectic of views on a subject that I have campaigned vigorously over for half a century .
Firstly domestic farm animals are reared for the sole purpose of feeding the populace . If we didn't eat meat there would be no cattle , sheep ,pigs etc to debate .
Having established the need to rear animals for the table we must then decide how this achieved in the most cost effective way . Now contrary to popular concept animals do respond to kindness and any good livestock farmer will be first to admit that the quality of his end product is directly proportional to the care and attention lavished on them in the field.
Now having invested not only time and money but also the emotion of caring into his charges ,the final act of slaughter is an inevitability , but one that is to a degree outside his remit .
Anyone who has visited a slaughter house will testify that it is not easy viewing but modern facilities are monitored and we like to think that the dispatch is done in a humane fashion . Depending on the size of beast pre stunning is either by electric shock of captive bolt into the brain then it is hoisted up by the hind legs and the throat is then cut to drain the blood .I would like to say this is done out of sight of the the remaining animals but unfortunately they do witness their friends demise and this does cause real fear.Maybe not an ideal but probably as good as it gets and as directed by UK law.
In a Halal slaughter house there is no pre stunning .Sheep are hung upside down in a line and their throats cut as they pass along the line . Cattle are place in a large metal crush that rolls the beast on to it's back so that it can the throat is exposed . The noise from frightened animals is deafening . Anyone who thinks farm animals don't feel pain or sense fear are delusional . the barbarism of such establishments make the chasing of a fox by some upper class twit on a horse on a par with a game of scrabble.
You can accuse me of racialism if you like ,but the laws of this country stipulate certain practises and to exempt a section on religious or traditional grounds is unacceptable . If certain groups can not accept this then they should live elsewhere.
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post Jan 2 2012, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE (lordtup @ Jan 2 2012, 09:35 AM) *
If certain groups can not accept this then they should live elsewhere.


Oh look, another attack on followers of Islam.

Well, this forum has recently descended as far as muttering ..
." ...ruddy Johnny Foreigner ....coming over here drinking all our water...mutter mutter...shouldn't be allowed...mutter .....". Now we got the meat issue. I take it Kosher is out as well then?
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Andy Capp
post Jan 2 2012, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE (Rusty Bullet @ Jan 2 2012, 09:52 AM) *
Oh look, another attack on followers of Islam.

I don't see it that way; Islam happen to endorse halal. I agree with others that our laws shouldn't be loosened to suit religious practice or culture, especially when it comes to the welfare of people and animals.
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- x2lls   Halal, why should we put up with this?   Jan 1 2012, 09:28 PM
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