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Andy Capp
post Jun 7 2017, 06:26 AM
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So in the recent NWN Q&A Benyon believes more foxes have suffered since the hunting act was introduced and he would vote to repeal the act.

What a terd.
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post Jun 12 2017, 07:03 PM
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The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system


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post Jun 12 2017, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2017, 08:03 PM) *
The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system


Winning would mean being able to form a government without help. Bet the Conservatives now regret not supporting our LibDem proportional representation.
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post Jun 13 2017, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE (The Hatter @ Jun 12 2017, 09:06 PM) *
Winning would mean being able to form a government without help. Bet the Conservatives now regret not supporting our LibDem proportional representation.


PR would have left them with over 40 fewer seats - so I very much doubt that they regret that decision.
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post Jun 13 2017, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 13 2017, 08:13 AM) *
PR would have left them with over 40 fewer seats - so I very much doubt that they regret that decision.



Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .


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post Jun 13 2017, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2017, 09:15 AM) *
Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .


Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....


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post Jun 13 2017, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 13 2017, 03:55 PM) *
Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories;

Tick, tick, tick.....

Didn't stop Brown having nice long cosy chats with them, did it.
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post Jun 13 2017, 08:58 PM
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#forthemanymanymanymanymanymany
#thefewwillleave

Just like France and EVERY country that has tried it. Tax take drops. Country worse off. But hey everyone feels better about it all.😂

Not saying that raising taxes on the rich is wrong. Just that you are going to have to stop them leaving. Border control. Thats the answer.😂
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post Jun 13 2017, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 09:58 PM) *
#forthemanymanymanymanymanymany
#thefewwillleave

Just like France and EVERY country that has tried it. Tax take drops. Country worse off. But hey everyone feels better about it all.😂

Not saying that raising taxes on the rich is wrong. Just that you are going to have to stop them leaving. Border control. Thats the answer.😂


No, let's hold the door open!

Take you TDH, the ulcers you are going to get from worry will be a drain on the NHS, you aren't going to be convinced, so as the saying has it 'we don't want to loose you but we think you ought to go'. Do it now, before it's too late.


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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 13 2017, 10:19 PM) *
No, let's hold the door open!

Take you TDH, the ulcers you are going to get from worry will be a drain on the NHS, you aren't going to be convinced, so as the saying has it 'we don't want to loose you but we think you ought to go'. Do it now, before it's too late.


Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.
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post Jun 13 2017, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 10:36 PM) *
Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

Everyone needs an exit strategy, gold and foreign property are good bets.
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post Jun 13 2017, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 10:36 PM) *
Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 14 2017, 12:02 AM) *
Everyone needs an exit strategy, gold and foreigners property are good bets.

Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!
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post Jun 14 2017, 05:55 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 12:55 AM) *
Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!

Droll, very droll. What passes for humour amongst poor people one supposes. 😯
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post Jun 14 2017, 06:53 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 14 2017, 06:55 AM) *
Droll, very droll. What passes for humour amongst poor people one supposes. 😯

"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"
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post Jun 14 2017, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 07:53 AM) *
"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"



Bet the chap who coined that one didn't want for much . The collective cake is of a given size , ( usually referred to as the GDP ) , and is therefore divisible by the those at the table . Some have a crumb , some have a chunk so big that a few crumbs fall down to the "privileged " few at his/her feet ,and some starve . JC , ( the first one not the present ), must have dined out for a long time on that trick with a loaf of bread and dead fish .


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post Jun 14 2017, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 14 2017, 09:09 AM) *
Bet the chap who coined that one didn't want for much . The collective cake is of a given size , ( usually referred to as the GDP ) , and is therefore divisible by the those at the table . Some have a crumb , some have a chunk so big that a few crumbs fall down to the "privileged " few at his/her feet ,and some starve . JC , ( the first one not the present ), must have dined out for a long time on that trick with a loaf of bread and dead fish .


In reality, the 'poor' don't actually want much at all. Provision of a half decent home, a job an income they can be content with, a reasonable health service and something that gives the kids the practical basics to survive. Nothing too hard there; it's what 'One Nation' conservatives aspired to provide, not much different truth to tell to the socialist vision.

So as to your cake, us unwashed don't really want anymore than a small slice. Which means that the envy for a bigger cut of the cake comes from those who already have a much bigger slice than everyone else, but still want even more.

Worth thinking about other people and their needs because then you might just find that meeting their needs enable you to protect yours even tighter.


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post Jun 14 2017, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 14 2017, 10:00 AM) *
In reality, the 'poor' don't actually want much at all. Provision of a half decent home, a job an income they can be content with, a reasonable health service and something that gives the kids the practical basics to survive. Nothing too hard there; it's what 'One Nation' conservatives aspired to provide, not much different truth to tell to the socialist vision.

So as to your cake, us unwashed don't really want anymore than a small slice. Which means that the envy for a bigger cut of the cake comes from those who already have a much bigger slice than everyone else, but still want even more.

Worth thinking about other people and their needs because then you might just find that meeting their needs enable you to protect yours even tighter.


On the principal that if a man has a penny and you double his wealth by giving him another ,is he happier than the millionaire who has just made £10,000 ? I very much doubt it . We all want to better our living standards but quite simply some are more adept than others at succeeding .
In a perverse case of irony had the third reich achieved it's deplorable aim most of us alive today would come from selective breeding stock and therefore be at the top of the global pile .
Should we all adopt an altruistic approach to the plight of others or continue to support a system of welfare handouts via taxation ?
Maybe the real problem is that modern media brings the plight of others into our homes to the extent our collective consciousness feels compelled to help .



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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 14 2017, 01:44 PM) *
On the principal that if a man has a penny and you double his wealth by giving him another ,is he happier than the millionaire who has just made £10,000 ? I very much doubt it . We all want to better our living standards but quite simply some are more adept than others at succeeding .
In a perverse case of irony had the third reich achieved it's deplorable aim most of us alive today would come from selective breeding stock and therefore be at the top of the global pile .
Should we all adopt an altruistic approach to the plight of others or continue to support a system of welfare handouts via taxation ?
Maybe the real problem is that modern media brings the plight of others into our homes to the extent our collective consciousness feels compelled to help .


Lovely society we aspire to eh?


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