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Posted on: Feb 15 2019, 10:19 AM


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I'm not sure how I missed it at the time, but it seems that the European Parliament's Brexit steering committee (six MEPs and Guy Verhofstadt) has told Ireland (not the UK) that it must set up a hard customs border in the event of a no deal Brexit, or face being ejected from the customs union itself - effectively stating that the integrity of customs union overrides the Good Friday Agreement.

Elmar Brok, of the steering committee said:
“We would have to set up a customs border with Ireland. The defence of the internal market is the basis of our economic success in Germany. If we destroy the Single Market, the EU is finished.”

Philippe Lamberts, also of the steering committee said:
"The British would have a 500km backdoor into the single market. If Ireland refuses to protect the border with Northern Ireland after a hard Brexit, we would have to relocate the customs border to the Continent."

Original German article here:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/b ... 51148.html

Ireland doesn't want a hard border. "Great Britain" doesn't want a hard border. Northern Ireland doesn't want a hard border. No part of the British Isles wants a hard border. The European Parliament says Ireland has an obligation to set up a hard border or it gets kicked out.

So either the EU forces Ireland* to break the Good Friday Agreement, or the EU ejects a member state.

That's a rather interesting change of tack from the EU which seems to have always insisted the UK would be responsible for such a hard border - and quite a distance from Tusk's comments later the same day:

"The top priority for us, remains the issue of the border on the island of Ireland, and the guarantee to maintain the peace process in accordance with the Good Friday Agreement. There is no room for speculation here. The EU itself is first and foremost a peace project. We will not gamble with peace; or put a sell-by date on reconciliation."

Right now it seems to be "**** Good Friday, because our customs union".

I suspect more movement on this issue is to come. From the EU27.

*Like it forced Ireland into a crippling bank bailout package in 2010
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Posted on: Feb 14 2019, 07:09 PM


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 14 2019, 06:21 PM) *
You don't say,
"EU BOMBSHELL: Economists claim 'eurozone is FAILING' for THIS reason
THE EU is not the force it once was and, according to credible forecasts, by 2050, it will account for less than a tenth of the world’s economy, two leading economists claimed in a book on the state of the bloc.". 🐒

Gonna be a basket case, Germany on the brink of recession, Italy in recession, French economy stagnating, Poland has a shrinking economy. Not looking good is it.
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Posted on: Feb 14 2019, 01:46 PM


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It was cold in Motown last night, Three degrees, Four Tops. 😀
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Posted on: Feb 14 2019, 09:26 AM


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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 14 2019, 06:09 AM) *
I confess I wasn’t aware of that, however the decision was taken in 2017. No one with half a brain cell would have taken that decision now or in the last 12 months. I expect that like Nissan they were given assurances. The climate changed when it became clear that the EU would not capitulate on its principles and the loons started talking about no deal and WTO. I’m trying hard not to be disparaging about the members of the public that have picked this up and peddle the idea on phone ins and social media, but it is economic suicide and would deliver us back to the 70s.

No, you weren't aware, because the only headlines the media are peddling are anti brexit. If Toyota aren't happy why don't they pull out like nissan did? Because it's got **** all to do with brexit. Oh and as expected, news brewing on both German AND eurozone economy.

"Germany narrowly avoided a recession in the fourth quarter, reporting only zero growth as foreign trade made little contribution to Europe’s largest economy.

The lackluster figure released Thursday by the state statistics agency followed a 0.2% fall in output during the preceding third quarter. Business spending on machinery and equipment as well as construction supported the economy in the fourth quarter and kept Germany from suffering two straight quarters of negative growth, one definition of a recession."

"Claus Vistesen, economist at Pantheon, says Germany’s economy was held back by weak net trade and sluggish consumers’ spending.

He fears that the eurozone growth figures, which will be updated at 10am, will be lowered from 0.2% to just 0.1% for the last quarter.

Just as bad as we feared, adding to our conviction that today’s second estimate quarter-on-quarter for the eurozone as a whole will be revised down, by 0.1pp, to 0.1%.

We don’t see numerical details in this report, but the statistical office provide hints, indicating that domestic demand, mainly investment in construction and machinery and equipment, and government spending supported the economy. By contrast, growth in consumers’ spending remained subdued, and net exports remained a severe drag on headline GDP growth."

All of a sudden it starts to look like this magical European powerhouse is running short of coal.
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Posted on: Feb 13 2019, 11:41 PM


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Also interesting is Toyota's decision to build the new version of the world's best-selling car at Burnaston in Derbyshire, producing more than 130,000 cars a year - along with 130,000 engines (including the hybrids) at Deeside - and employing 3,000 people.

If you've missed it - and the BBC hasn't even mentioned the Corolla in over a month - it's because it's certainly not as interesting a news story as absolutely no job losses from Nissan choosing not to make a couple of thousand large off-roaders a year in Sunderland because it can't make the Renault diesel engines Euro6b compliant and the diesel market share is shrinking to the point of Nissan cutting diesel engines (like most other manufacturers) before the end of 2021, and making the petrol versions would require shipping the petrol engines from Japan to be mated to the cars in the UK when it would be cheaper to just make the RHD cars in Japan in the first place. I mean BECAUSE BREXIT. DEFINITELY BECAUSE BREXIT.
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Posted on: Feb 13 2019, 09:19 PM


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Gender studies, shortest course in history, " right class, any idea how many genders there are?". "err, two sir?"
"Congratulations, collect your degree on the way out"
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Posted on: Feb 13 2019, 09:05 PM


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Sales n marketing. Followed by two year course (evenings) business studies.
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Posted on: Feb 13 2019, 07:51 PM


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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 13 2019, 07:40 PM) *
Graduates? Educated? You mean brain washed.🤣 They soon learn and become gammony as they age.🤣🤣🤣

Graduates in what? media studies? gender Studies? (yes that's a real thing) There always The Mc University of course. Jeez save us from this endless stream of mediocrity.
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Posted on: Feb 13 2019, 04:54 PM


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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 13 2019, 03:58 PM) *
Ok but can we have another vote if remain only win by a bit?
I mean.. we need to be consistent.

Here's where it gets interesting of course, one of the 'reasons' we should vote again is because, and I quote " there is a whole slice of the voting public who weren't old enough to vote at the time, they should have a say!". Ok, so shall we have a referendum every year then? Because the logic (if you can call it that) holds true, there will be another slice next year, and the year after, ad infinitum. Nonsense logic, but some trot it out.
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Posted on: Feb 13 2019, 03:57 PM


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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 02:56 PM) *
In that case you should accept that it was a snapshot vote on that day. There were lies told and there were protest votes (I know one person who voted leave but wanted to remain but give Cameron a bloody nose). The truly democratic thing would be a final vote on the deal or remain. Polls indicate 56% would vote remain now.


Nope, we had a vote, that's it, you can't keep the rerunning it just because you don't like the results. That way chaos lies, the result was arrived at democratically and like it or not it should be respected.
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Posted on: Feb 13 2019, 01:27 PM


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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 13 2019, 12:21 PM) *
Did you vote leave JSC ? You don't have to say of course, I am just curious. Especially with your French moniker.

Actually, now someone actually bothered to ask, no, I didn't, I voted stay. However, if we had a second vote I might vote leave, I've got a contract with a French customer up for renewal this year that might fall through if we go 'no deal' but I'll face that if it happens. What I'm really in more interested in is that over 17 million voters voted leave and yet that is deemed irrelevant to some people. It's a matter of democracy in my eyes, something citizens of this country have laid down their lives for. It's important.
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Posted on: Feb 13 2019, 12:16 PM


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It's an oft-quoted thing. "Those who actively seek responsibility are almost certainly going to use it for twattery and should be denied it". Probably Abraham Lincoln or Morgan Freeman. Or Twitter.
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Posted on: Feb 12 2019, 08:52 PM


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Hungary is telling their people "Have four children and pay no income tax for life". So who's going to end up filling that financial gap.
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Posted on: Feb 12 2019, 04:49 PM


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Trying to get away from the corruption maybe?

The European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker's best buddy, lawyer friend and previously chief enforcer (Head of Cabinet to the President of the Commission) Martin Selmayr has suddenly been promoted to the highest civil service position in the Commission - secretary-general - despite not being able to get the position by appointment due to not having served the required time in sufficiently senior roles.

How? Well, his experience meant that he was able to secure appointment to the role of deputy secretary-general, which became vacant in January. His appointment was confirmed at a meeting on February 21st.

The next order of business at that meeting was the resignation of the standing secretary-general, Alexander Italianer. In order to prevent a gap at the top of the civil service tree, Juncker then promoted the deputy secretary-general to the position of secretary general... which was his buddy Martin Selmayr who had just been appointed DSG five minutes previously.

*******. Bent. As. ****.

First broken by Liberation: http://www.liberation.fr/planete/2018/0 ... on_1632200
And, in English, it's being investigated. Good luck with that: https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/ar ... -promotion
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Posted on: Feb 12 2019, 04:46 PM


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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 12 2019, 04:41 PM) *
Being at the heart of the largest most successful trading bloc on the planet doesn't swing it?

Being at the 💓 laugh.gif
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Posted on: Feb 12 2019, 03:30 PM


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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 12 2019, 12:54 PM) *
I don't believe anyone chooses to be homeless. I think are some who choose not to accept help that comes with certain caveats, and I am sure there are some who made bad choices which led them to their situation. But it flies in the face of human nature to make life hard for yourself.

To some it's a way of life in afraid, there's also a lot out there with mental health issues, many, as you say, don't want conditions heaped on them by people who really should know better. Southampton and Portsmouth are quite good with their outreach programs, many staffed by volunteers, there's even a vets service to help their pets to cope.
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Posted on: Feb 12 2019, 03:18 PM


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 12 2019, 02:46 PM) *
You just can't stop being snide can you.

"older, working class, less educated and white voters opted to leave."

So you lump 'less educated' in with working class, older and white voters and miraculously every one becomes 'less educated' well done, how to mangle data.

Pointless even trying to engage with this one, doesn't bother to read anything, doesn't understand anything, all he's interested in is trying to prove he's a left wing intellectual, which he's not. I can imagine him pounding the keyboard with his forehead, throwing it down on the desk then strutting around the room mumbling "I haz skilz, deyz all wrong, dey dunt no nuffink, der intetweb must be broke". I'm sitting here in my office giggling softly at his idiocy, just waiting for the next gem to tumble onto the screen. It's probably going to be "all right wing nazi voters are thickos". No plot twists here my boys.
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Posted on: Feb 12 2019, 07:48 AM


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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 12 2019, 07:10 AM) *
We survived the poll tax riots and France will survive these protests. The right wing narrative is that Europe is screwed so we're doing the right thing in leaving. It's only about disparaging the rest of the EU and saying we're better off out. I never hear anything positive about us leaving. Even Brexit's biggest economic fan says the automotive industry and farming will collapse and Rees Mogg says we'll know it it worked in 50 years! It's beyond stupid!

You seem a tad confused, one of the surprising things to come out of this message is just how many leave voters were from traditional labour supporters. Not very right wing then. Farming will collapse? Really? You dont think that with 'imported food prices will rise' scare stories prevalent that British farmers might not fill the gap? Oh, and we don't actually have a British car Industry as such, we make cars for foreign car companies.
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Posted on: Feb 11 2019, 09:33 PM


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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Feb 11 2019, 06:25 PM) *
Don't be silly; this simply not the Hard Left way.

Homelessness will be redefined in "Newspeak" and thus be got rid of at the stroke of a pen

The homeless will be reclassified as 'victims' of the Tory scum. Probably offered positions in the government.
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Posted on: Feb 11 2019, 06:20 PM


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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 11 2019, 05:54 PM) *
The difference is that the one doing the prediction is the only economist that believes Brexit will be good for us and is the one trotted out by ERG. Imagine their embarrassment when the clip emerged. But actually forecasting is pretty accurate. They got the timing wrong with some things after the Brexit vote because the market reacted cautiously but if a no deal Brexit happens we’ll feel the results for decades. It’s total insanity. Find a single economist besides Minford that sees anything other than a significant downturn.

Ipsos MORI conducted an online survey of members of the Royal Economic Society and the Society of Business Economists on behalf of the Observer.
73% of respondents thought that real household incomes in the UK would be lower over the next 10 to 20 years, if the UK left the EU and the single market. This compares with 10% who thought that incomes would rise and 13% who thought that incomes would be broadly unaffected.
68% of respondents thought that the UK leaving the EU and the single market would increase the risk of the economy experiencing a serious negative shock. 22% thought it would make no difference and 8% thought it would reduce the risk.

That's out of 639 response, from economists. So just on this evidence alone he's not " the only economist " now is he.
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Posted on: Feb 11 2019, 06:03 PM


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This ********'s not helping,

"John McDonnell has strongly defended a prominent Labour activist suspended from the party for anti-semitism after saying Jews were “chief financiers” of the slave trade.

In a leaked recording passed to The Sunday Times, the shadow chancellor used an appearance at a left-wing conference this weekend to express his sympathy with Jackie Walker, Momentum’s former vice-chairwoman, who was suspended in 2016. She faces an expulsion hearing next month."

From The Times by the way.
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Posted on: Feb 11 2019, 05:43 PM


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Prediction is not exactly a science, nobody knows what's going to happen yet but the doomsayers are out in force. Let's not forget TM was predicted to gain by a landslide, brexiteers were predicted to lose, Our Don was predicted to be runner up and WW1 was predicted to be over by Christmas.
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Posted on: Feb 11 2019, 11:53 AM


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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 11 2019, 09:07 AM) *
I take issue with both of these statements as they do not apply to either.
There are much worse "liberal remoaners" out there than newres, likewise I doubt if any on here are "Right wing extremists"
This is one of the main reasons why I rarely post on here nowadays.
Hysterical name calling rather than than sensible, adult debate.
However I am led to believe that the rhetoric on here is mild compared to that of "'social' media" to which I do not subscribe.

I agree, myself and others have tried to have sensible discussion only to have it disrupted by trolls who think that banging a keyboard with their foreheads at every and all opportunity qualifies as debate, sparking off yet another bitchfest. It would be nice to be able to discuss issues of the day without the usual keyboard SJW'S trying to spoil it, AC tries to post stuff which often gets shouted down as do you. Let's all just try to get along for a change huh?.
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Posted on: Feb 10 2019, 05:30 PM


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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 10 2019, 04:52 PM) *

Rich, coming from someone who refuses to condemn it on this forum.
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Posted on: Feb 10 2019, 01:50 AM


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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 9 2019, 08:46 PM) *
Newres is the worst kind of liberal remoaner. I really don't understand why anyone that despises the Country they live in and indeed that Countries history would want to stay in that said Country. He is I am afraid just a very sad bitter man.

And he's shown himself to be a racist as well.

QUOTE (newres @ Jan 25 2019, 06:47 AM) *
Isn’t it obvious? She’s an uppity negro.
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