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newres
post Feb 10 2019, 11:10 AM
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Another thing to think about if we’re going to delve into recent history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

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post Feb 10 2019, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 10 2019, 06:45 AM) *
I provoke abuse by pointing out the nonsense you post. I get that. So even though Germany was destroyed at the end of WW2, the power behind the EU stems from then

It's not nonsense sonny, after the war Germany was rebuilt, primarily by us, we poured money into the country in a humanitarian effort because we didn't want it to be a perpetual basket case. It became the financial powerhouse of Europe with its Banks among the most powerful in the continent, dictating financial protocol for the entire industry. If you had listened in school to the history teacher instead of daydreaming you might of remembered. The forced slave aspect of the German war effort is a fact, something that snowflakes ignore these days because it doesn't suit them when whining about 'how evil Britain is'. If you want to have an intelligent conversation stop posting uninformed nonsense backed up with pointless and increasingly laughable 'evidence' and stop trying to be aggresive because all you're doing is making the rest of us laugh. Carry on and just get blocked, up to you really, no one else on here gives a **** either way.


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post Feb 10 2019, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 10 2019, 12:09 PM) *
It's not nonsense sonny, after the war Germany was rebuilt, primarily by us, we poured money into the country in a humanitarian effort because we didn't want it to be a perpetual basket case. It became the financial powerhouse of Europe with its Banks among the most powerful in the continent, dictating financial protocol for the entire industry. If you had listened in school to the history teacher instead of daydreaming you might of remembered. The forced slave aspect of the German war effort is a fact, something that snowflakes ignore these days because it doesn't suit them when whining about 'how evil Britain is'. If you want to have an intelligent conversation stop posting uninformed nonsense backed up with pointless and increasingly laughable 'evidence' and stop trying to be aggresive because all you're doing is making the rest of us laugh. Carry on and just get blocked, up to you really, no one else on here gives a **** either way.

Have.

I find it ironic that the right wing extremists on here pretend I'm defending the Nazis. Your point was that the EU was founded on profits from slavery. I pointed out that that was patent nonsense so now you're saying that the Allies underwrote the German economy post WW2 (correct this time) and accusing me of being wrong. Incoherent like much of what is said on here.

I'm really not bothered about being blocked by you at all. It must be very upsetting to be called out for lies. JSC is blocked because of his childish abuse.
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post Feb 10 2019, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 10 2019, 01:50 AM) *
And he's shown himself to be a racist as well.

And incredibly dense as well.


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post Feb 10 2019, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 10 2019, 12:43 PM) *
And incredibly dense as well.

Brainwashed I am afraid. Britain bad. Anywhere else good.
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post Feb 10 2019, 04:28 PM
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[quote name='Turin Machine' date='Feb 10 2019, 12:09 PM' post='123393']
It's not nonsense sonny, after the war Germany was rebuilt, primarily by us.

Rubbish! ERP was a American initiative mainly funded by them.
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post Feb 10 2019, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 10 2019, 02:37 PM) *
Brainwashed I am afraid. Britain bad. Anywhere else good.

By whom?
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post Feb 10 2019, 04:52 PM
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ERG member:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47189073
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post Feb 10 2019, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 10 2019, 04:52 PM) *

Rich, coming from someone who refuses to condemn it on this forum.


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Isn’t it obvious? She's just an uppity.
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post Feb 11 2019, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 9 2019, 09:46 PM) *
Newres is the worst kind of liberal remoaner.

QUOTE (newres @ Feb 10 2019, 01:16 PM) *
I find it ironic that the right wing extremists on here

I take issue with both of these statements as they do not apply to either.
There are much worse "liberal remoaners" out there than newres, likewise I doubt if any on here are "Right wing extremists"
This is one of the main reasons why I rarely post on here nowadays.
Hysterical name calling rather than than sensible, adult debate.
However I am led to believe that the rhetoric on here is mild compared to that of "'social' media" to which I do not subscribe.
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post Feb 11 2019, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 11 2019, 09:07 AM) *
I take issue with both of these statements as they do not apply to either.
There are much worse "liberal remoaners" out there than newres, likewise I doubt if any on here are "Right wing extremists"
This is one of the main reasons why I rarely post on here nowadays.
Hysterical name calling rather than than sensible, adult debate.
However I am led to believe that the rhetoric on here is mild compared to that of "'social' media" to which I do not subscribe.


The voice of reason will, hopefully, resonate above the monosyllabic tripe that is an increasing norm in the debating world but I am not prepared to save oxygen awaiting. I agree that the mud slinging on here is probably mild compared to some but, like global warming, the loss of oratory skills will creep insidiously into our lives to the detriment of our ability to communicate and ultimately survive.


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post Feb 11 2019, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 11 2019, 09:07 AM) *
I take issue with both of these statements as they do not apply to either.
There are much worse "liberal remoaners" out there than newres, likewise I doubt if any on here are "Right wing extremists"
This is one of the main reasons why I rarely post on here nowadays.
Hysterical name calling rather than than sensible, adult debate.
However I am led to believe that the rhetoric on here is mild compared to that of "'social' media" to which I do not subscribe.

I agree, myself and others have tried to have sensible discussion only to have it disrupted by trolls who think that banging a keyboard with their foreheads at every and all opportunity qualifies as debate, sparking off yet another bitchfest. It would be nice to be able to discuss issues of the day without the usual keyboard SJW'S trying to spoil it, AC tries to post stuff which often gets shouted down as do you. Let's all just try to get along for a change huh?.


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Isn’t it obvious? She's just an uppity.
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post Feb 11 2019, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 11 2019, 09:30 AM) *
The voice of reason will, hopefully, resonate above the monosyllabic tripe that is an increasing norm in the debating world but I am not prepared to save oxygen awaiting. I agree that the mud slinging on here is probably mild compared to some but, like global warming, the loss of oratory skills will creep insidiously into our lives to the detriment of our ability to communicate and ultimately survive.


Indeed. And there are far more important things in the world than the EU and Brexit. I for one can't wait for the 29th March to come and go so we can focus on something else.
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post Feb 11 2019, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 11 2019, 12:43 PM) *
Indeed. And there are far more important things in the world than the EU and Brexit. I for one can't wait for the 29th March to come and go so we can focus on something else.

I, quite frankly, am sick of the whole darn thing now.


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post Feb 11 2019, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 11 2019, 12:43 PM) *
Indeed. And there are far more important things in the world than the EU and Brexit. I for one can't wait for the 29th March to come and go so we can focus on something else.

Not if you work in the automotive industry.
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post Feb 11 2019, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 11 2019, 01:06 PM) *
Not if you work in the automotive industry.

And why's that? I mean why the auto industry in particular?


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post Feb 11 2019, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 11 2019, 01:08 PM) *
And why's that? I mean why the auto industry in particular?

Automotive was just an example, but even the most optimistic Hard Brexit enthusiast predicts the decimation of the automotive industry post Brexit.

https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1056568783400243201

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post Feb 11 2019, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 11 2019, 02:42 PM) *
Automotive was just an example, but even the most optimistic Hard Brexit enthusiast predicts the decimation of the automotive industry post Brexit.

https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1056568783400243201

And just look at the reasoned, well thought out response.

"Look how happy he is, the fat, old white man....to make skilled,well paid people unemployed. Evil,evil man!"

Ahh , Twitter, gotta love it. laugh.gif


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post Feb 11 2019, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 11 2019, 02:42 PM) *
Automotive was just an example, but even the most optimistic Hard Brexit enthusiast predicts the decimation of the automotive industry post Brexit.

https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1056568783400243201



The motor industry issues are nothing to do with Brexit. It is a global downturn for varying reasons.


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post Feb 11 2019, 03:35 PM
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It's not simple but yes Brexit is dampening demand but also the uncertainty over diesel is also playing it's part with sales of diesel vehicles down 42%. Nissan is a shining example of this, the reasons behind them pulling planned production is partly down to this but also down to the fact that sales of the xtrail are down 24% Europe wide. The same story is true of other manufacturers as well. Project fear is alive and well.


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