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> “Irreplaceable” gargoyles stolen from Newbury building
blackdog
post Sep 28 2012, 02:53 PM
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http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/irrepla...ewbury-building

In the headline and the article the reporter uses quotation marks around 'irreplaceable' - presumably because he doesn't believe the 'gargoyles' are irreplaceable. So I wonder why he uses the word at all?

I have also used quotation marks around 'gargoyles' because, of course, the dragons were not gargoyles at all but finials.

If the owners want to replace them they could consider:

http://www.rooffinials.co.uk/dragon-finial...gon-finial.html

If a more accurate replacement is wanted I am sure they could find a potter who would make some to the original design (picture below).

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post Sep 28 2012, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Sep 28 2012, 03:53 PM) *
In the headline and the article the reporter uses quotation marks around 'irreplaceable' - presumably because he doesn't believe the 'gargoyles' are irreplaceable.

No, I don't interpret it that way at all. That would be a shorthand way of reporting something that someone else had said to you, rather than your own words.
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post Sep 28 2012, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 28 2012, 03:58 PM) *
No, I don't interpret it that way at all. That would be a shorthand way of reporting something that someone else had said to you, rather than your own words.

I agree that he is probably reporting what someone has told him - but I read the quotation marks as distancing the reporter from the use of the word - because he is, at the least, uncertain of its accuracy.

I should also have noted in the OP that I would shed few tears were those who nicked them to fall off the next roof they are robbing.
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post Sep 28 2012, 03:16 PM
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Here's a nice one.

The site also mentions what I also understand to be the oorigin of the finial - that it was to prevent witches (I understood the devil, but close enough) sitting on the end of your roof. In a similar vein, holly trees were allowed to grow up in hedges so that witches couldn't get a free run along the top of the hedge.


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post Sep 28 2012, 03:25 PM
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I also note that someone's stolen the apostrophe from 'Natures Corner'.


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post Sep 28 2012, 04:18 PM
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Dem buggers will nick anything,
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post Sep 28 2012, 05:03 PM
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That's an old picture, Nature's Corner moved a few doors down years ago.
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post Sep 28 2012, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ Sep 28 2012, 06:03 PM) *
That's an old picture, Nature's Corner moved a few doors down years ago.


But has the spelling improved?
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post Sep 28 2012, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Sep 28 2012, 06:13 PM) *
But has the spelling improved?


Depends how many natures and how many corners.
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post Sep 28 2012, 05:45 PM
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In a similar vein, holly trees were allowed to grow up in hedges so that witches couldn't get a free run along the top of the hedge.

I once got involved In Lincoln Trials. On line.
Sometime in the 1660s a namesake was hung for being a witch, or just being an old lady. I got bored after 1890
My garden is ringed with firethon and holly .
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post Sep 28 2012, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Sep 28 2012, 04:05 PM) *
I agree that he is probably reporting what someone has told him - but I read the quotation marks as distancing the reporter from the use of the word - because he is, at the least, uncertain of its accuracy.

I should also have noted in the OP that I would shed few tears were those who nicked them to fall off the next roof they are robbing.


I was taught at school that " ..." was the sign for quotation and ' .... ' was a sign of irony. Mind you it was a few years ago since I attended school so the rules may have changed.
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post Sep 28 2012, 06:26 PM
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Gargoyles are water spouts; if no water flows through them then they are grotesques.
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post Sep 28 2012, 06:42 PM
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Gargoyles , grotesques , finials ? As they have been removed by person or persons unknown we shall never know .
Perhaps the perpetrator could contact this forum and enlighten us . wink.gif


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post Sep 28 2012, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Sep 28 2012, 07:26 PM) *
Gargoyles are water spouts; if no water flows through them then they are grotesques.

Architecturally speaking they're finials, sitting on the end of the ridge at the top of the gable, and yes, as gargoyle-like ornaments that aren't actually water spouts they're grotesques.


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post Oct 1 2012, 06:54 PM
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My email and phone number accompany the piece, should anyone want to ask me anything, or correct anything. I have made that point before on here but strangely no one ever bothers... no idea why, I don't bite biggrin.gif

"irreplaceable" was a quote - who am I to say they are irreplaceable? To the owner they are, so that is how I have described them, and also how Thames Valley Police described them:

http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/yournh-t...sitem?id=231554

Hope this clears it up.
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post Oct 1 2012, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE (Mark NWN @ Oct 1 2012, 07:54 PM) *
My email and phone number accompany the piece, should anyone want to ask me anything, or correct anything. I have made that point before on here but strangely no one ever bothers... no idea why, I don't bite biggrin.gif

"irreplaceable" was a quote - who am I to say they are irreplaceable? To the owner they are, so that is how I have described them, and also how Thames Valley Police described them:

http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/yournh-t...sitem?id=231554

Hope this clears it up.

It's not clear from the photo, but in the interests of annoyingly obscure pedantry, I would question whether the creature of the story's finial is actually a dragon. There were dragon finials, but I think these might have been wyverns, like this magnificent one:

(this one appears to have replaceable wings)


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post Oct 1 2012, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (Mark NWN @ Oct 1 2012, 07:54 PM) *
"irreplaceable" was a quote - who am I to say they are irreplaceable? To the owner they are, so that is how I have described them, and also how Thames Valley Police described them:

Mark, some (the rest?) of us realized what was meant - see my post #2.
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Mark NWN
post Oct 2 2012, 08:15 AM
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The man or woman in the street (perhaps someone who saw the statues being taken) would see a dragon, as per the Thames Valley Police description and the owner's description, for purposes of helping track it down it seems sensible to call it something that people would easily recognise.
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post Oct 2 2012, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 1 2012, 08:45 PM) *
It's not clear from the photo, but in the interests of annoyingly obscure pedantry, I would question whether the creature of the story's finial is actually a dragon. There were dragon finials, but I think these might have been wyverns, like this magnificent one:

(this one appears to have replaceable wings)



Possibly a 'Chimera' could be a better description?
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post Oct 2 2012, 08:51 AM
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I think Chimera are usually Lion headed and Goat bodied.
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