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A tragedy unfolds.
Could it happen here?

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Does Mr Kirby have a view?

[Simon Kirby]

Does Mr Kirby have a view?

Yes, I'd prefer that you called me Simon.

As for the events in Cologne, it's a difficult situation. Those responsible for the lawlessness would appear to have been of North African or Arab ethnicity, and there is reportedly some evidence that refugees from war-torn Syria and other recent arrivals from the region were involved. That's obviously got some people into a bit of a tizzy as for them it reinforces their world view that foreigners are dangerous and shouldn't be allowed into their country, and the heat they bring to the discussion is unhelpful because it makes it very difficult to discuss the racial dimension which is certainly there are needs understanding.

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Yes, I'd prefer that you called me Simon.

As for the events in Cologne, it's a difficult situation. Those responsible for the lawlessness would appear to have been of North African or Arab ethnicity, and there is reportedly some evidence that refugees from war-torn Syria and other recent arrivals from the region were involved. That's obviously got some people into a bit of a tizzy as for them it reinforces their world view that foreigners are dangerous and shouldn't be allowed into their country, and the heat they bring to the discussion is unhelpful because it makes it very difficult to discuss the racial dimension which is certainly there are needs understanding.

Simon, (nudge accepted, apologies)


Cologne, I think you missed a few. Stuttgart, Hamburg, Helsinki, Kalmar, Vienna and almost certainly a few other places too. This is a Europe wide issue and in my view the blinkered liberals have a lot to answer for.
I do like those BBC words, 'would appear', 'some evidence', 'a bit of a tizzy','unhelpful', 'alleged' The liberal leftie view is amazing. Do you think those poor women who were humiliated and injured by scum would agree with you? I think not. I wonder what your response would be if it were to be YOUR daughter, wife or sister subjected to such barbarism? Merkel's chickens are coming home to roost and it will only get worse. Her policy of open doors to so many in such a short time will only have negative impact. She has even been reported today as saying deportations should be made easier for those convicted of criminal activity. Why the **** didn't they have just a little forethought and consider the consequences of such a huge influx? As for the authorities telling their nationals that they have to change THEIR way of life to avoid such activity is quite simply astounding. The mayor of Cologne should resign and hold her head in shame. It won't be long before those ******** get German passports and then a free entry to our own shores. The sooner we get out of this failed European social experiment, the better.

[Simon Kirby]

Cologne, I think you missed a few. Stuttgart, Hamburg, Helsinki, Kalmar, Vienna and almost certainly a few other places too. This is a Europe wide issue and in my view the blinkered liberals have a lot to answer for.
I do like those BBC words, 'would appear', 'some evidence', 'a bit of a tizzy','unhelpful', 'alleged' The liberal leftie view is amazing. Do you think those poor women who were humiliated and injured by scum would agree with you? I think not. I wonder what your response would be if it were to be YOUR daughter, wife or sister subjected to such barbarism? Merkel's chickens are coming home to roost and it will only get worse. Her policy of open doors to so many in such a short time will only have negative impact. She has even been reported today as saying deportations should be made easier for those convicted of criminal activity. Why the **** didn't they have just a little forethought and consider the consequences of such a huge influx? As for the authorities telling their nationals that they have to change THEIR way of life to avoid such activity is quite simply astounding. The mayor of Cologne should resign and hold her head in shame. It won't be long before those ******** get German passports and then a free entry to our own shores. The sooner we get out of this failed European social experiment, the better.

Liberal leftie? Sure, I'm comfortable with that. I think though that it is important to understand what happened first.

[je suis Charlie]

Liberal leftie? Sure, I'm comfortable with that. I think though that it is important to understand what happened first.

What happened was groups of men, of north African and or Arab origins sexually assaulted and in one case gang raped women. The police and media, for fear of being called 'racist' covered up the fact that many of them were, in fact, asylum seekers. The chief of police has now been sacked for his part in this cover up and yet more fuel has been thrown on the anti immigrant fire. Merkel is being pressured for change, and groups from the far right are recruiting like crazy. Nobody is going to come out the winner and yet the liberal elements are still attempting to keep their heads firmly buried in the sand.

[Simon Kirby]

What happened was groups of men, of north African and or Arab origins sexually assaulted and in one case gang raped women. The police and media, for fear of being called 'racist' covered up the fact that many of them were, in fact, asylum seekers. The chief of police has now been sacked for his part in this cover up and yet more fuel has been thrown on the anti immigrant fire. Merkel is being pressured for change, and groups from the far right are recruiting like crazy. Nobody is going to come out the winner and yet the liberal elements are still attempting to keep their heads firmly buried in the sand.

I don't believe it's burring my head in the sand to stand back and look objectively at what happened and is happening. My experience is that reports can be distorted to serve the reporter's interests - look at how the Hillsborough tragedy and the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes were reported.

Take for example your story that "what happened was groups of men, of north African and or Arab origins sexually assaulted and in one case gang raped women."

Gang rape is very obviously a repugnant act and if there was as you say a gang-rape in the town square at Cologne at New Years then the situation was very serious indeed.

As it happens the only report I can find to support your story is that of a rape reported in Weil am Rhein, some 500km away from Cologne. Here is the Telegraph bellowing about it with the piece illustrated by a photograph of the Cologne police.


The Telegraph concedes that the reported rape has nothing whatsoever to do with the events in Cologne, but it involved people it describes as "Syrian" and so that's good enough for the Telegraph - some Syrians are accused of rape 500km away from Cologne so obviously the pick-pockets and gropers of Cologne have to be Syrians. Mind, quite how Syrian the alleged offenders are from Weil am Rhein isn't clear as the Telegraph concedes that they are long-term residents and not asylum seekers - and why would you assume they were asylum seekers anyway?

So what we have then is a report of a rape in Weil am Rhein where girls were allegedly assaulted at a party that they'd been invited to. If the report is true then it's extremely unpleasant for those involved, but to put it in context there are some 8,000 rapes reported annually in Germany, so while we're told by the Telegraph about a report in Weil am Rhein there were likely 20 others reports on the same night, and 200 reported rapes since New Years, but I'm guessing here that they didn't involved anyone that could reasonably be described as "Syrian" and so the Telegraph didn't bother to report those.

So you see why I would prefer to take a considered view.

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I don't believe it's burring my head in the sand to stand back and look objectively at what happened and is happening. My experience is that reports can be distorted to serve the reporter's interests - look at how the Hillsborough tragedy and the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes were reported.

Take for example your story that "what happened was groups of men, of north African and or Arab origins sexually assaulted and in one case gang raped women."

Gang rape is very obviously a repugnant act and if there was as you say a gang-rape in the town square at Cologne at New Years then the situation was very serious indeed.

As it happens the only report I can find to support your story is that of a rape reported in Weil am Rhein, some 500km away from Cologne. Here is the Telegraph bellowing about it with the piece illustrated by a photograph of the Cologne police.


The Telegraph concedes that the reported rape has nothing whatsoever to do with the events in Cologne, but it involved people it describes as "Syrian" and so that's good enough for the Telegraph - some Syrians are accused of rape 500km away from Cologne so obviously the pick-pockets and gropers of Cologne have to be Syrians. Mind, quite how Syrian the alleged offenders are from Weil am Rhein isn't clear as the Telegraph concedes that they are long-term residents and not asylum seekers - and why would you assume they were asylum seekers anyway?

So what we have then is a report of a rape in Weil am Rhein where girls were allegedly assaulted at a party that they'd been invited to. If the report is true then it's extremely unpleasant for those involved, but to put it in context there are some 8,000 rapes reported annually in Germany, so while we're told by the Telegraph about a report in Weil am Rhein there were likely 20 others reports on the same night, and 200 reported rapes since New Years, but I'm guessing here that they didn't involved anyone that could reasonably be described as "Syrian" and so the Telegraph didn't bother to report those.

So you see why I would prefer to take a considered view.

Oh for crying out loud, what is there to consider? Has it all been made up?
You completely ignore all the points I made and then just cherry pick the telegraph, only mentioning Syrians. It's not about Syrians in isolation. The attackers were from other regions too, mainly from islamic $hitholes where women are treated less than dogs for the pleasure of cavemen. But that's OK, they only need a chat to explain how we do things in Europe, They just had a bad start in life. That start in life is sexual repression, gender segregation, women always the victims, FGM and countless other misogynistic activity.
How on earth can hundreds of thousands of ill or uneducated people offer any sort of 'enrichment' to a western society?

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How on earth can hundreds of thousands of ill or uneducated people offer any sort of 'enrichment' to a western society?

Quite right. Week after week in NWN we see the results of our failed education system. Where we see exactly what happens locally. Young yob does over his girlfriend for the nth time and gets a 'discharge' because 'he's getting himself together'. Kid nips into Reading on the train without paying a couple of quid and gets massive fine. Yeah that's the European way; so long as it's behind closed doors it's OK.