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post Mar 6 2012, 07:41 PM
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According to the NWN Richard Benyon has refused a debate over the NHS Health Bill with Newbry Labour party spokesperson Richard Garvie. David Rendell has offered to take part but it would appear that the local MP is not prepared to debate this very important issue. He has stated he will talk with any constituents who may have concerns at his office.

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Surprised there has been not debate on the forum over such a very important topic.


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post Mar 6 2012, 08:13 PM
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I doubt anyone could explain the issues.
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post Mar 6 2012, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Mar 6 2012, 07:41 PM) *
According to the NWN Richard Benyon has refused a debate over the NHS Health Bill with Newbry Labour party spokesperson Richard Garvie. David Rendell has offered to take part but it would appear that the local MP is not prepared to debate this very important issue. He has stated he will talk with any constituents who may have concerns at his office.

Thoughts?

Surprised there has been not debate on the forum over such a very important topic.

Such an event would merely regress into a quagmire of politicking, with no decent information. Better to go to the MP Surgery and ask him direct - always assuming the interested person knows what the Bill says......
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post Mar 6 2012, 08:35 PM
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I wouldn't expect him to take part in a debate with a "Labour Party Spokesman". I'm not having a pop at Richard Garvie, if there was an election due or if he was a parliamentary candidate it might be different. I like that Rendel has "offered" to take part, what a desperate and sad old loser he has become!
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post Mar 7 2012, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Mar 6 2012, 08:35 PM) *
I wouldn't expect him to take part in a debate with a "Labour Party Spokesman". I'm not having a pop at Richard Garvie, if there was an election due or if he was a parliamentary candidate it might be different. I like that Rendel has "offered" to take part, what a desperate and sad old loser he has become!


Rendel is so desperate for visibility he would turn up for the opening of an envelope.


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post Mar 7 2012, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Mar 7 2012, 08:34 AM) *
Rendel is so desperate for visibility he would turn up for the opening of an envelope.


As opposed to Benyon who is not prepared to either debate it in public or explain it outside the confines of his office? I wonder why that would be?


The 'envelope' line was first used by Private Eye about Princess Michael of Kent ( a.k.a.Princess Pushy) over 30 years ago. Got any newer material?
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post Mar 7 2012, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Mar 7 2012, 09:17 AM) *
As opposed to Benyon who is not prepared to either debate it in public or explain it outside the confines of his office? I wonder why that would be?


The 'envelope' line was first used by Private Eye about Princess Michael of Kent ( a.k.a.Princess Pushy) over 30 years ago. Got any newer material?

I've never heard it before, it was funny, and more to the point, accurately sums up Rendell.
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post Mar 7 2012, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE (GrumblingAgain @ Mar 7 2012, 09:51 AM) *
I've never heard it before, it was funny, and more to the point, accurately sums up Rendell.


Good for you. But that's the problem with being out-of-touch and not quite up to date. Almost as bad as someone mis-spelling Rendel.
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post Mar 7 2012, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Mar 7 2012, 09:17 AM) *
As opposed to Benyon who is not prepared to either debate it in public or explain it outside the confines of his office? I wonder why that would be?


I think we all know why that would be.

The bravery of being out of range.
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post Mar 7 2012, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Mar 7 2012, 10:24 AM) *
Good for you. But that's the problem with being out-of-touch and not quite up to date. Almost as bad as someone mis-spelling Rendel.

You're a bit touchy today Squelchy. you need to relax a bit. Do you good.


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post Mar 7 2012, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Mar 7 2012, 09:17 AM) *
As opposed to Benyon who is not prepared to either debate it in public or explain it outside the confines of his office? I wonder why that would be?


Where did you see/hear he has said that?
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post Mar 7 2012, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Mar 7 2012, 01:26 PM) *
Where did you see/hear he has said that?


http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/health-...save-nhs-benyon


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post Mar 7 2012, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Mar 6 2012, 08:28 PM) *
Such an event would merely regress into a quagmire of politicking, with no decent information. Better to go to the MP Surgery and ask him direct - always assuming the interested person knows what the Bill says......


Are you implying that it is too difficult for the average person to understand the bill therefore not worth debating to help elucidate the issues involved and what it may mean to the future of the NHS?


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post Mar 7 2012, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Mar 7 2012, 05:04 PM) *

That doesn't say he is unwilling to debate it in public, it says that he has declined an invitation from a member of the public to debate it in an arena that is not appropriate.
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post Mar 7 2012, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Mar 7 2012, 06:27 PM) *
That doesn't say he is unwilling to debate it in public, it says that he has declined an invitation from a member of the public to debate it in an arena that is not appropriate.


"he would speak to any unhappy constituents at his office"

When questioned on why the NHS was undergoing a top down reorganisation when the party manifesto stated there would not be before the election Richard Benyon would only quote the Tory party inane response.

"It is a bottom up reorganisation" unsure.gif

Like others I must admit to not understanding most of the Bill but I do think it is a dangerous precedence just to keep quiet and not try to understand just what is trying to be achieved, instead of trying to understand just how it will affect the NHS.
It would appear that most health proffesionals are against the Bill so I really do have concerns especially when seeing how the free markets and privatisation has affected other organisations such as the railways, utilities etc.


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post Mar 7 2012, 07:33 PM
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Can I just say..........How refreshing...........a thread without xjay in it!! tongue.gif
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post Mar 7 2012, 07:37 PM
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Yes and very dull it is too.
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post Mar 7 2012, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (NORTHENDER @ Mar 7 2012, 08:37 PM) *
Yes and very dull it is too.

Refreshing but dull? blink.gif

Hang on........he's reading this...............here he comes.....................!!!
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post Mar 7 2012, 07:48 PM
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Ohhh ****, you've gone and said it now. Andy and his crew of merry men will be saying I am posting for attention..
You see, a thread without me is like 7UP Zero. It's refreshing, but somehow lacks the zest of the full fat 7UP.

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 7 2012, 07:33 PM) *
Can I just say..........How refreshing...........a thread without xjay in it!! tongue.gif


Yeah, because this is not a topic that interests me or one that I even understand to be honest. Because firstly no-one has really given any information about the subject, so someone who has a life outside of the news and goings on of "Cllr blah blah" would be able to read what's actually going on, and understand the topic.
From what I understand, Richard Benyon wants to promote a restructuring of the NHS and people are having a hissy fit because he won't enter into a debate with your average joe in the middle of Victoria Park with a moments notice... ? (and if I'm wrong then so what)
See, even I can't make that sound exciting.

Although this actually is a genuine story, I went for a plum-exam last year.. So the doctor (not my usual one, he was off sick, the irony...this was a doctor I've never seen before) said "right then Jamie if you could just please take your clothes off.."
-what...uhm, everything? *circling the general area of my crotch with my hand* (i'm unsure at the best of times but with a random man...?)
"that's the idea" said the doctor, coldly. It's not a stereotype, most doctors are not very "peopley" people..

Normally I at least get some cuddles or a kiss before being asked to strip...I've never been with a male dominatrix or infact any male whatsoever so this was a new experience for me.

-well I wouldn't do this on a first date...but you have a trusting face and.. I don't know, you just make me feel safe *starts to undress*

"*blank stare back from doctor*"

THAT GOT ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSE NOT EVEN A SMIRK.... I mean come on... Must be a hoot at parties.
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post Mar 7 2012, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Mar 7 2012, 05:04 PM) *


Doesn't say he has refused to debate in public or explain outside the confines of his office.... All it says is he has declined a debate with a local Labour Party member and a local Lib Dem Councillor.

(Edit to reflect someone else has said the same already!!!)
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