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Richard Garvie
post Feb 17 2011, 07:50 AM
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Joe Mooney was on BBC Berkshire this morning telling everyone that he "doesn't know of the cuts" that I speak about, but the council are actually investing more on adult social care. For you Joe, let me explain the cuts that you are making to ASC:

5 Day Centres closing, four being "reshaped", cuts to support groups etc: £2.2m
180 staff cuts (140 care workers): £4.4m
Bus service and concessionary fare cuts: £200,000

Other cuts to vulnerable people:

Education budget cut by 8.4% (£872,000)... Didn't Barbara Alexander come out before Christmas saying there would be no cuts to education?
Youth Service cut by 18.5% (£496,000)

There will also be a further £2.9m cut to adult social care in next years budget.

I would suggest that our Adult Social Care portfolio holder needs to be better informed, or needs to stop misleading people.
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post Feb 17 2011, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Feb 17 2011, 07:50 AM) *
Joe Mooney was on BBC Berkshire this morning telling everyone that he "doesn't know of the cuts" that I speak about, but the council are actually investing more on adult social care. For you Joe, let me explain the cuts that you are making to ASC:

5 Day Centres closing, four being "reshaped", cuts to support groups etc: £2.2m
180 staff cuts (140 care workers): £4.4m
Bus service and concessionary fare cuts: £200,000

Other cuts to vulnerable people:

Education budget cut by 8.4% (£872,000)... Didn't Barbara Alexander come out before Christmas saying there would be no cuts to education?
Youth Service cut by 18.5% (£496,000)

There will also be a further £2.9m cut to adult social care in next years budget.

I would suggest that our Adult Social Care portfolio holder needs to be better informed, or needs to stop misleading people.

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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Feb 17 2011, 07:50 AM) *
Joe Mooney was on BBC Berkshire this morning telling everyone that he "doesn't know of the cuts" that I speak about, but the council are actually investing more on adult social care. For you Joe, let me explain the cuts that you are making to ASC:

5 Day Centres closing, four being "reshaped", cuts to support groups etc: £2.2m
180 staff cuts (140 care workers): £4.4m
Bus service and concessionary fare cuts: £200,000

Other cuts to vulnerable people:

Education budget cut by 8.4% (£872,000)... Didn't Barbara Alexander come out before Christmas saying there would be no cuts to education?
Youth Service cut by 18.5% (£496,000)

There will also be a further £2.9m cut to adult social care in next years budget.

I would suggest that our Adult Social Care portfolio holder needs to be better informed, or needs to stop misleading people.

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post Feb 17 2011, 12:13 PM
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Typical of Richard Garvie to confuse the debate for Political purposes.

THE FACTS ARE, THE COUNCIL'S ADULT SOCIAL CARE BUDGET WILL BE £3.2 MILLION MORE IN 2011/12 THAN IT WAS IN 2010/11

The service is being redesigned to be more efficient, hence some cuts, but these are also accompanied by extra investments, which Mr Garvie conveniently ignores.
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post Feb 17 2011, 12:14 PM
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post Feb 17 2011, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 17 2011, 12:14 PM) *
> draws up ring side seat <


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post Feb 17 2011, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE (Bofem @ Feb 17 2011, 12:44 PM) *
Care to share my popcorn DB? dry.gif



Mmmmmm please.
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post Feb 17 2011, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 17 2011, 12:46 PM) *
Mmmmmm please.


mmmph....ooh....sorry bout vat. Just finishin vis....mm...popcorn. There. That's better.

Right, so dannyboy. Whaddyafink of this Garvie fella then? Wot I don't get is 'ow Labour's against cuts round 'ere, when they're closing swimming pools and every public loo in Manchester? wink.gif




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post Feb 17 2011, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (Bofem @ Feb 17 2011, 01:07 PM) *
mmmph....ooh....sorry bout vat. Just finishin vis....mm...popcorn. There. That's better.

Right, so dannyboy. Whaddyafink of this Garvie fella then? Wot I don't get is 'ow Labour's against cuts round 'ere, when they're closing swimming pools and every public loo in Manchester? wink.gif


That's the answer - shut Northcroft & bung all the 'capital depleters' in there. Job done. Next!
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post Feb 17 2011, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 17 2011, 01:10 PM) *
That's the answer - shut Northcroft & bung all the 'capital depleters' in there. Job done. Next!


Old age Capital Depletion pension? tongue.gif


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post Feb 17 2011, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (Councilman @ Feb 17 2011, 12:13 PM) *
The service is being redesigned to be more efficient, hence some cuts, but these are also accompanied by extra investments, which Mr Garvie conveniently ignores.
Surely not the same Mr Garvie that who keeps insisting waste should be cut and services should be more efficient.

Look what happens when they are, he starts complaining about the cuts in spending.

You can't have it both ways Richard.
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post Feb 17 2011, 07:46 PM
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While you all indulge in you point scoring and chest beating, would someone explain what is happening? Will people be denied services or not?

Is this a case of the council not explaining itself properly? Instead of closing centres, it should say, transferring centres, if that is what it means. Otherwise, it allows misinformation to be propagated.
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post Feb 17 2011, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 17 2011, 07:46 PM) *
While you all indulge in you point scoring and chest beating, would someone explain what is happening? Will people be denied services or not?

Is this a case of the council not explaining itself properly? Instead of closing centres, it should say, transferring centres, if that is what it means. Otherwise, it allows misinformation to be propagated.


Out of everyone who has posted on this thread, it would appear that only I have been meeting the users of the day centres and local support groups to find out how this budget will affect them. I promise my life that some people will no longer be able to attend day centres. I promise my life that there were service users at the council meeting tonight telling me how specialist equipment is being ripped out of the Phoenix Centre and not being replaced. I genuinely get upset about this topic, and maybe that's why I get so heated when discussing it here.

The councillor responsible is Joe Mooney. He said on the radio today that he doesn't know of the cuts I was talking about and that of the £8m cuts, the elderly and disabled will not be affected. How he can blatantly lie on the radio, and then refuse to come outside and meet those protesting tonight is shamefull.

I am happy to lead a tour of day centres for any members on this forum or wherever, to come and meet service users who will be affected by these cuts. People who are being left with no choice but to never leave their homes. People who are having their only respite taken away from them. User23 / Dannyboy, put your money where your mouth is and come and see for yourself what these cuts will do to people in the district.

My mobile number is 07593 278690 and my email is info@richardgarvie.com. I have nothing to hide, and the ball is firmly in your court. If you want to snipe at me, fine. I don't care. What I do care about is when you are trying to discredit genuine arguments about peoples lifestyle because of a petty vendetta against me for daring to challenge the council.
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post Feb 17 2011, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Feb 17 2011, 10:27 PM) *
Out of everyone.. blah blah.. waffle waffle.. does anyone actually read to the end of these essays?
I asked you to post your business plan and on here so we could all help you out in creating new Day Centres, managed by the service users. I've not seen any response so far and I suspect you don't have one.

If you're concerned about the situation do something constructive. Calling people you disagree with on a number of subjects liars does your case no good.
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post Feb 17 2011, 10:52 PM
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I asked you to post your business plan and on here so we could all help you out in creating new Day Centres, managed by the service users. I've not seen any response so far and I suspect you don't have one.

If you're concerned about the situation do something constructive. Calling people you disagree with on a number of subjects liars does your case no good.


So I take it you won't come and see for yourself what is going on? Surprise surprise. Look, I'm doing what I can to support these groups. I've offered to help with business plans. I've even offerred to volunteer a few hours per week. The council have made it clear that they are not interested. There are a number of meeting planned regarding the formation of community Companies and such like, how about you come along user, and meet the people concerned?
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post Feb 17 2011, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Feb 17 2011, 10:52 PM) *
So I take it you won't come and see for yourself what is going on? Surprise surprise. Look, I'm doing what I can to support these groups. I've offered to help with business plans. I've even offerred to volunteer a few hours per week. The council have made it clear that they are not interested. There are a number of meeting planned regarding the formation of community Companies and such like, how about you come along user, and meet the people concerned?
Let's see your business plan please, you said you'd investigated keeping these centres open.

Prove to us all this isn't all political posturing and hot air.
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post Feb 17 2011, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 17 2011, 10:55 PM) *
Let's see your business plan please, you said you'd investigated keeping these centres open.

Prove to us all this isn't all political posturing and hot air.


I will happy sit down with all of you and show you what I've investigated personally and what others have investigated. You have my number and my email address, and if you don't want to do it nominate somebody else? There are plenty of people on here who I suspect may be up for coming to see what is being done to save these services.

No posturing or hot air here. I was at the council meeting tonight and I also stood outside people affected by these cuts for thirty minutes before the meeting. Where were you? That's right, you don't actually care about the cuts, you are just trying to discredit me.

PS: You complained about Simon Kirby badgering people who use their real names, yet you do exactly the same thing. I'm also waiting for the badgering police to come along any minute, where is TallDarkandHandsome?)
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post Feb 17 2011, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Feb 17 2011, 11:01 PM) *
I will happy sit down with all of you and show you what I've investigated personally and what others have investigated. You have my number and my email address, and if you don't want to do it nominate somebody else? There are plenty of people on here who I suspect may be up for coming to see what is being done to save these services.

No posturing or hot air here. I was at the council meeting tonight and I also stood outside people affected by these cuts for thirty minutes before the meeting. Where were you? That's right, you don't actually care about the cuts, you are just trying to discredit me.

PS: You complained about Simon Kirby badgering people who use their real names, yet you do exactly the same thing. I'm also waiting for the badgering police to come along any minute, where is TallDarkandHandsome?)
So no business plan or similar in fact nothing tangible, just a lot of waffle.

PS: I didn't complain about Simon Kirby badgering people who use their real names, I commented about him aggressively questioning someone about their personal tax return. You're really grasping at straws here.
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post Feb 17 2011, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Feb 17 2011, 11:08 PM) *
So no business plan or similar in fact nothing tangible, just a lot of waffle.

PS: I didn't complain about Simon Kirby badgering people who use their real names, I commented about him aggressively questioning someone about their personal tax return. You're really grasping at straws here.


Not at all. You try to land blows on me for anything and everything, regardless of the subject. The truth is, I can prove that the cuts are going to hurt people, and I can prove that I have investigated keeping the centres open in partnership with other groups. I've offered to meet you, but you haven't accepted. Can I pop in to see you at work?
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post Feb 17 2011, 11:18 PM
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The way I see it, I generally laugh at Red Ricks chest beating and general lambasting of anything 'Tory' But I Kinda know he's right on this one. Sorry and all that but at the end of the day after all the point scoring, humerous comments and general tomfoolery, He's right and in this case I take my hat off to him.


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