Bringing back Clause 4, Whats in it for us? Options

[On the edge]

You don't have to go back too far and Labour were the opposition party round here. Who says they can't do it again?

There are hints (shock / horror) that a good few would like to reinstate a revised Clause 4! Would that actually help? Well, on this very forum there have been calls to take the railways back into public ownership; simply because the bogus markets don't seem capable of delivering the service we want at costs we can afford. Then take utilities, we might actually be better off with the distribution networks at least being in public hands. Rural broadband might then be more than a dream.

It all depends on the model. In my view, the mistake last time was to equate public ownership with centralisation. This time there are suggestions it should be localised. So far so good. The only hesitation I'd have is our very own local 'public management' experience. Step,forward NTC! However, if words like cooperative and agency were added to the mix - who knows, a brighter future?

Anyway, right or wrong, at least Labour are trying to come up with a real and different vision; not just a different shade of blue and a mine is bigger than yours approach to policy!

[Andy Capp]

I remember when New Labour last got into power, people had written off the Tories much the same way. All New Old Labour have to do is have a few babysitters to look after things until the public get fed-up with the current Raving Monster Tory Party, then they will be in the running again.

[GMR]

I remember when New Labour last got into power, people had written off the Tories much the same way. All New Old Labour have to do is have a few babysitters to look after things until the public get fed-up with the current Raving Monster Tory Party, then they will be in the running again.

Yes, but not when Corbyn is in charge and they move to centre ground.

[x2lls]

Yes, but not when Corbyn is in charge and they move to centre ground.

Well, with a bit of luck they WILL have him as leader. And if as you say they will get nowhere, that will suit me just fine. We haven't yet got the economy in the right state to enable them to throw it all away again!

[Andy Capp]

Well, with a bit of luck they WILL have him as leader. And if as you say they will get nowhere, that will suit me just fine. We haven't yet got the economy in the right state to enable them to throw it all away again!

It is not healthy for a government not feel threatened.

[GMR]

It is not healthy for a government not feel threatened.

Exactly, and by allowing Corbyn to become leader they won't be threatened for sometime. This will make them arrogant and that will damage the country.