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post Nov 16 2009, 09:07 AM
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Discuss.
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post Nov 16 2009, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 16 2009, 09:07 AM) *
Discuss.

Why?
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post Nov 16 2009, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 16 2009, 09:07 AM) *
Discuss.

What TDH ?
Or are you waiting for someone to state the obvious . rolleyes.gif


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post Nov 16 2009, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Nov 16 2009, 09:36 AM) *
Why?



Because its a topic that people shy away from talking about.
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post Nov 16 2009, 10:26 AM
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Migration is a good thing - we get lots of well educated hard working people from Poland, and lots of 'old codgers' bale out to a new life in Spain or one of our former colonies...
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post Nov 16 2009, 10:48 AM
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Seems to be a subject that the present government has little control over or if it does it is choosing to appear inept in it's management.
Who really knows if it is good or bad for his country.
It is great to have skilled and needed workers here from abroad but it's the Health tourists and those that come over and then exploit the benefits system that we all would like to see stopped.
But since no one has any firm or reliable figures, it's anyones guess.


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post Nov 16 2009, 11:20 AM
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I agree people shy away from it.

So why are so many Brits moving abroad, I guess it's the weather because I can't imagine moving to Spain or Austrailia for anything else.
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post Nov 16 2009, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (Andy1 @ Nov 16 2009, 11:20 AM) *
I agree people shy away from it.

So why are so many Brits moving abroad, I guess it's the weather because I can't imagine moving to Spain or Austrailia for anything else.

People are leaving Britain for many reasons and climate is probably one of them but sadly I believe the other reasons are:
The lazy and feckless being rewarded above those that try to be responsible and support themselves by working.
The criminals whose rights are put above those that abide by the law.
The dis-enfranchised who see others coming into this country have contributed nothing and who take every benefit that is available to them.
The middle class who are taxed till they hurt and then taxed some more.
The declining standards in education.
The list goes on. sad.gif


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post Nov 16 2009, 11:43 AM
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Having had some family move abroad and then come back again I can safely say that the grass is not always greener.

Particularly in Spain, it's very hot and therefore the grass is generally brown!! laugh.gif
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post Nov 16 2009, 11:48 AM
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Ok , I have no problem with someone taking his labour skills elsewhere in order to benefit his family or just himself .
The grey area regarding illegal immigration rests on whether these are taking advantage of our welfare state or being exploited in the sense that they are being paid below the minimum wage and therefore undercutting the indigenous work force .

What really gets my goat though is my tax revenue being forked out left right and centre to the work shy scum that considers they have a God given right to scrounge off the state ,when vacancies are being filled by migrant workers .
Along side this we are now seeing a growing number of willing workers who find themselves , through no fault of their own , unemployed.

The big problem we have is that if anyone stands up and says enough is enough , they are branded as racist .
Now it is not exactly rocket science to see were this is all going to end ( see 19 /20th century European history for the answer , take to long to outline here ) , and I just hope that common sense will prevail before it creates a problem that our children will be unable to rectify .
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post Nov 16 2009, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (lordtup @ Nov 16 2009, 11:48 AM) *
Ok , I have no problem with someone taking his labour skills elsewhere in order to benefit his family or just himself .
The grey area regarding illegal immigration rests on whether these are taking advantage of our welfare state or being exploited in the sense that they are being paid below the minimum wage and therefore undercutting the indigenous work force .

What really gets my goat though is my tax revenue being forked out left right and centre to the work shy scum that considers they have a God given right to scrounge off the state ,when vacancies are being filled by migrant workers .
Along side this we are now seeing a growing number of willing workers who find themselves , through no fault of their own , unemployed.

The big problem we have is that if anyone stands up and says enough is enough , they are branded as racist .
Now it is not exactly rocket science to see were this is all going to end ( see 19 /20th century European history for the answer , take to long to outline here ) , and I just hope that common sense will prevail before it creates a problem that our children will be unable to rectify .
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Well said sir. Your suggested conclusion or effect of the problem is chilling but not beyond the realms of possibility.
A little worrying eh! since those that govern us have their heads in the sand.


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post Nov 16 2009, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Nov 16 2009, 12:01 PM) *
Well said sir. Your suggested conclusion or effect of the problem is chilling but not beyond the realms of possibility.
A little worrying eh! since those that govern us have their heads in the sand.


It never fails to amaze that , what is blatantly obvious to one and all , is so ignored by those who profess to know best .

I understand that ostrich meat is quite edible so anyone wish to join me for the first shoot of the season wink.gif


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post Nov 16 2009, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 16 2009, 09:41 AM) *
Because its a topic that people shy away from talking about.

So why aren't you joining in the discussion?
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post Nov 16 2009, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 16 2009, 01:10 PM) *
So why aren't you joining in the discussion?


I am quite happy to join the discussion. My view is that the signs shoud go up. 'Country Full'.
This applies to all people and all nationalities. We are overpopulated. Simple as. The reason I raised it is because whilst I suspect many people have similar views they are scared to air them for fear of not being'politically correct'.

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post Nov 16 2009, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 16 2009, 01:26 PM) *
I am quite happy to join the discussion. My view is that the signs shoud go up. 'Country Full'.
This applies to all people and all nationalities. We are overpopulated. Simple as. The reason I raised it is because whilst I suspect many people have similar views they are scared to air them for fear of not being'politically correct'.


That reminds me. I add the following to my list posted earlier:
The slow eradication of our right to free speech that our fathers fought and died for.
The perpetual surveilance by the cameras of the Big brother state.


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post Nov 16 2009, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 16 2009, 01:26 PM) *
I am quite happy to join the discussion. My view is that the signs shoud go up. 'Country Full'.
This applies to all people and all nationalities. We are overpopulated. Simple as.



All countries are over populated.

Question is ....... where does everybody go?

Most of the human race's problems are a result of over population.

The answer????????????????????????? sad.gif
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post Nov 16 2009, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 16 2009, 02:26 PM) *
All countries are over populated.

Question is ....... where does everybody go?

Most of the human race's problems are a result of over population.

The answer????????????????????????? sad.gif

The use of those little rubber things so despised by the Catholic religion may help ,as should taking resposibility for one's actions in this arena .
Failing that ,enforced euthanasia for the over 55s . rolleyes.gif


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post Nov 16 2009, 02:37 PM
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I think the wave of immigration we have had since the 1990s has been a big mistake because the people as a whole had no say in it whatsoever but it has totally changed our country, in some cases, so much, it is not always recognisable from the country as we knew it and loved it.

It is also a sign of failure of government policy. There is a hoarde of lazy, feckless and workshy from the indigenous population who will not find work, retrain or up-skill themselves to fill jobs. So instead of forcing them to work, the government has given in and let immigrants in.
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post Nov 16 2009, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Nov 16 2009, 02:37 PM) *
I think the wave of immigration we have had since the 1990s has been a big mistake because the people as a whole had no say in it whatsoever but it has totally changed our country, in some cases, so much, it is not always recognisable from the country as we knew it and loved it.

It is also a sign of failure of government policy. There is a hoarde of lazy, feckless and workshy from the indigenous population who will not find work, retrain or up-skill themselves to fill jobs. So instead of forcing them to work, the government has given in and let immigrants in.



Not all have come here to work.

Some come to benefit from the relative wealth of this country and it's generous welfare system.

The same welfare system that prevents the "indigenous population" from getting off their backsides and finding work.
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post Nov 16 2009, 05:10 PM
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Should this be in the "Newbury News"section....
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