QUOTE (blackdog @ Jul 15 2017, 02:34 PM)
I voted remain and nothing that has happened since has been a surprise - leaving seems as crazy now as it did a year ago. But, as I see it, the situation is a binary one - in or totally out. The fudge that seems to be gaining ground - remaining in the single market and customs union as a non-member of the EU is utterly crazy. Why leave if you want to stay in? We would end up leaving the decision making body and little else - gaining nothing, losing massive influence and several vetoes.
If Blair is right and the EU is prepared to move their stance on free movement in a way that could satisfy Brexiteers then they should offer it as a change to our membership terms so that we can stay in (plenty of other member states would be happy with a similar adjustment).
Exactly ! Cameron showed what sort of buffoon he was to call for it in the first place, as Winston Churchill astutely commented: " The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter", and once he had f****d it up he packed his bag and retreated to the relative safety of Henley on Thames.
I still can't follow the argument regarding the free movement of labour. The " over 'ere takin' our jobs" appraisal doesn't hold water any more than stopping it will appease the very people who shout about it. Even before our membership, ( yes children there was such a time), seasonal workers would venture over here, do their bit, and go home. If you pulled the finger nails out of "yer average" dissenter, they would agree that it was a red herring and the real reason to vote NO was to kick the established bureaucrats of both sides of the channel in the bits that hurt the most.
Now we are between a rock ( read Trump) and a hard place ( a pissed off Europe) and running around like headless poultry in the forlorn hope that someone will wave a magic wand and everything in the garden will return to normality.
Leaders!!!! Couldn't lead a rat up a drainpipe.
Si non prius succederent.......... relinquere