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Jun 15 2018, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 14 2018, 08:01 PM) GOTCHA!!! https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/ju...-sexual-assaultLets just hope that they are as we speak being introduced to Mr broken mop handle in the showers. Good.
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Jul 12 2018, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 28 2018, 07:30 PM) So Tommy Robinson is now imprsioned for reporting outside the court on the rape trial of an accused 29 men. His crime? Reporting on a trial where no reporting is allowed. He will most likely be murdered in prison. Thousands protesting in Downing St. And not a word in the news as it is banned from reporting his arrest! Whether you agree with him or not this turn of events is a worry. https://twitter.com/i/status/1017385803947888640Just saying.
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Jul 12 2018, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jul 12 2018, 02:54 PM) Not working. . What does "not working mean"? Please be specific.
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Jul 12 2018, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 12 2018, 05:06 PM) If this is because of the Police clamp down on the 'Free Tommy Robinson' campaigners during the Trump visit they only have themselves to blame. The record shows their most recent demonstration was not peaceful and there were several arrests. So what did they expect? Freedom of speech doesn't include freedom to riot. No it is not about that. Since you ask, you do know the violence toward the policeman who was hospitalised was anitfa?
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Jul 13 2018, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jul 12 2018, 10:56 PM) No it is not about that. Since you ask, you do know the violence toward the policeman who was hospitalised was anitfa? Yes, I can now see the link. She is giving voice to an opinion, which even if I don't like it, is very common, and as you imply, not properly considered by mainstream media or politics; indeed at their peril. However, the real message is being lost, effectively drowned out by the messenger. It's an odeous comparison, but it's now recognised that Scargill was right about the closure of coal mines and the destruction of the coal industry. Some realised that at the time, but, the Government of the day got its way because it simply consentrated on the violently aggressive tactics of the messenger. Arguably, our Government, following Heyak's monitorist theories, is actually benefitting from the tactics of the messengers in this case. It means they have to do very little to keep the mass of the population quiet. I don't personally like Donald Trump at all BUT he's throwing in some very pertinent messages. Which are likely to have far more effect than a plastic balloon, which simply makes us all look stupid. So the Liberal left don't get it either.
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Jul 13 2018, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 13 2018, 09:43 AM) Yes, I can now see the link. She is giving voice to an opinion, which even if I don't like it, is very common, and as you imply, not properly considered by mainstream media or politics; indeed at their peril.
However, the real message is being lost, effectively drowned out by the messenger. It's an odeous comparison, but it's now recognised that Scargill was right about the closure of coal mines and the destruction of the coal industry. Some realised that at the time, but, the Government of the day got its way because it simply consentrated on the violently aggressive tactics of the messenger.
Arguably, our Government, following Heyak's monitorist theories, is actually benefitting from the tactics of the messengers in this case. It means they have to do very little to keep the mass of the population quiet.
I don't personally like Donald Trump at all BUT he's throwing in some very pertinent messages. Which are likely to have far more effect than a plastic balloon, which simply makes us all look stupid. So the Liberal left don't get it either. Excellent viewpoint, thank you.
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Jul 15 2018, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jul 13 2018, 11:21 AM) Excellent viewpoint, thank you. The good man has been here in the UK for the period of no response.
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Jul 16 2018, 06:43 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jul 15 2018, 11:48 PM) The good man has been here in the UK for the period of no response. Are you talking about Trump the ****?
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Jul 16 2018, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jul 15 2018, 11:48 PM) The good man has been here in the UK for the period of no response. Indeed he has. Firstly, I have to say, I'm very disappointed that the Greenpeace activist who disobeyed the no fly zone in Scotland wasn't arrested. I criticise Tommy Robinson for disobeying the law which sent him to gaol, but the Greenpeace chap, apparently free to go. Now that's what brings the law and the enforcement agencies into disrepute. Secondly, he's been bringing us some hard truths. We are conducting the negotiations with the EU as a battle - ia win / lose situation. Real negotiations, particularly for commerce, should be win / win - BOTH parties should want a better deal. So, he's spot on about that! It hits at the very core of the EU issue, if it was really just a 'common market' - both sides of this present debate would be about retaining that and even trying to improve. We seem willing, so why is the EU so anti? Arguably, it has much to lose politically and our leaving brings into sharp focus its imperial aim. We can have a trade deal with the US, it will be a tough negotiate, so it should be, that's commerce BUT both sides would want it to happen and with a good team, win / win is perfectly possible. Thirdly, whatever he's said, like it or not, he's been polite and actually statesmanlike. Rather like a rich Uncle calling at the home of a poor relation, where the kids are unruly and out of control, he's made us look like precocious pygmies. There is an old Wykamist saying, which according to an old teacher of mine, used to sum up our way of things - manners mayketh man.
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Jul 16 2018, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 16 2018, 04:57 PM) I am still at a loss to what their actual protest of Trump is all about? They label him misogynistic yet nothing could be further from the truth as he appears to have a very "healthy" interest in women. Racist? No evidence that he is a closet member of the Ku Klux Klan or an advocator of segregation, yet the mob would quite willingly burn him as a heretic given half a chance. The stunt involving a powerglider was stupid but it did highlight that despite spending £40 million on security it was an abject failure. Instead of a greenpeace protester what would have happened if it had been an armed terrorist? 2 dozen cruise missiles would be on the way before mother Theresa could say "whoops sorry"! Least he knows that if he has to sit down and forge a trade deal he is dealing with idiots. He describes "grabbing women by the *****" - mysogynistic He is supported by the KKK and when there was a riot involving white supremacists he described there being "very fine people on both sides". Racist or supporter of racists. His language to describe blacks, Muslims and Mexicans is racist. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-tru...-racist-n837486
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Jul 16 2018, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jul 16 2018, 06:03 PM) He describes "grabbing women by the *****" - mysogynistic He is supported by the KKK and when there was a riot involving white supremacists he described there being "very fine people on both sides". Racist or supporter of racists. His language to describe blacks, Muslims and Mexicans is racist. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-tru...-racist-n837486You are right of course, and it's our culture in our space today so to speak. Just on a centuary ago, when we were a global power, Americans were often offended by the manners and habits of our PM. H H Asquith's behaviour to women would have landed him in gaol these days. Winston Churchill, wasn't free of quite rabid racist views. And many Muslim leaders have and promote quite horrific legal, feminine and racial attitudes. Yet often laud these figures. I personally don't find President Trump's persona or many of his policies at all attractive. Nonetheless, he is a democratically elected Head of State and does demonstrably have some natural instinct for leadership. What I find quite reprehensible is our double standards here. Not one breath of criticisim about the French President and his personal life, or the apparent abuse of alcohol by the EU senior, or indeed our pandering to other rather worse unelected dictators.
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Jul 16 2018, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 16 2018, 07:07 PM) You are right of course, and it's our culture in our space today so to speak. Just on a centuary ago, when we were a global power, Americans were often offended by the manners and habits of our PM. H H Asquith's behaviour to women would have landed him in gaol these days. Winston Churchill, wasn't free of quite rabid racist views. And many Muslim leaders have and promote quite horrific legal, feminine and racial attitudes. Yet often laud these figures. I personally don't find President Trump's persona or many of his policies at all attractive. Nonetheless, he is a democratically elected Head of State and does demonstrably have some natural instinct for leadership. What I find quite reprehensible is our double standards here. Not one breath of criticisim about the French President and his personal life, or the apparent abuse of alcohol by the EU senior, or indeed our pandering to other rather worse unelected dictators. Dont dare criticise JC Drunker. He had sciatica dont you know. Makes you sway from side to side and kiss people lots. Oh and it only occurs as the day wears on and gets better overnight.😂 Oh and where are the mass protests against the Saudis and other "not so nice" states?? Trump achieved more in one mission on NATO with the EU than Obama did in 8 years. Suddenly the EU states have to pay the 2% of GDP that they signed up to. Funny that. He has met Kim Jong un, the Chinese leader and now Putin. You may dislike his politic but he is a novelty. A politician that follows though on election promises in the main. And he will get 4 more years.
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Jul 17 2018, 05:21 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 16 2018, 09:33 PM) Your mincers have seen the light. Just better hope the trouble likes your views now. Your still an Aris mind. Testing your pottery speak? I actually haven’t a scoobie what you’re talking about.
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