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Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 21 2009, 03:12 PM
Personally, I think they should be allowed to appear and relavent questions put to them.
This should then allow the publice to make an 'educated' decision about the party and whether they would like to vote for such people.
I just hope that the audience is a representative cross section of society and is not 'doctored' in any way (i.e. full of 'normal' people - not far right wing extremists and mad mullers)
We shall see...
Posted by: Bloggo Oct 21 2009, 03:18 PM
This should then allow the publice to make an 'educated' decision about the party and whether they would like to vote for such people.
I just hope that the audience is a representative cross section of society and is not 'doctored' in any way (i.e. full of 'normal' people - not far right wing extremists and mad mullers)
We shall see...
I agree with you. This is an opportunity for the public to listen to the responses of Nick Giffin to hopefully sensible quesions and make their own mind up.
Although it is purported that the audience is a mixed selection I suspect that there will be more Left wing extremists than Right wing. Shouldn't think there will be many Mullers there though.
Looks like an interesting evening. I bet the viewing figures go sky high.
Posted by: JeffG Oct 21 2009, 03:56 PM
Posted by: Bill1 Oct 21 2009, 04:49 PM
I've been looking forward to this for weeks.
Let him on, let him speak and then tear his "theology" to shreds.
Posted by: Biker1 Oct 21 2009, 06:47 PM
The publicity that this event has received in the media has played right into the BNP's hands.
If the appearance of Mr. Griffin on Question Time had been allowed to pass quietly his party would have not been in the limelight and he would have had a much smaller audience to which he could put forward his case.
No publicity is bad publicity as they say.
I hope the whole evening will not centre around the race issue.
His party have other policies also suitable for debate.
Posted by: GMR Oct 21 2009, 06:48 PM
I agree that Nick Griffin should appear on Question Time to, not only voice his opinion, but also to be questioned. Free speech should mean free speech to all; no matter how distasteful there comments are.
I am also looking forward to watching Question Time tomorrow.
Posted by: Iommi Oct 21 2009, 07:08 PM
I'm surprised by the reaction of Peter Hain. I wonder if he fears that Griffin will 'perform' better than expected? After all, some of the BNP's popularity can be attributed to a backlash to some of Labour's (and Tory) policies.
Posted by: Biker1 Oct 21 2009, 07:19 PM
Very true.
The mainstream parties need to look at WHY such parties as the BNP gain popularity and, instead of condemning them, coming up with sensible alternatives.
Posted by: Andy1 Oct 22 2009, 08:32 AM
The mainstream parties need to look at WHY such parties as the BNP gain popularity and, instead of condemning them, coming up with sensible alternatives.
I agree. The fact is people got off their backsides and voted for the BNP, the alternative for them could have been not to vote at all. The BNP obviously struck a chord with the people who voted for them
Posted by: JeffG Oct 22 2009, 09:46 AM
I see that two other members of the panel are Jack Straw and Chris Huhne. The listings don't say who the others are. Let's hope that overall it's a strong panel that will argue this person back into the hole he crawled out of.
Otherwise it could be a disaster.
Posted by: Bloggo Oct 22 2009, 10:05 AM
I agree with this.
It is because of the main stream parties ignoring peoples views and aspirations and so many MP's on both sides proving to be corrupt and self-serving that have driven voters to seriously consider the BNP and UKIP as a viable alternative.
Tonights program will be a farce that will only give the BNP more credibility. I expect that the Left wing louts in the audience will make Mr Griffin look like a martyr by not letting him speak.
Posted by: Bill1 Oct 22 2009, 10:17 AM
Otherwise it could be a disaster.
Here is tonights programme information.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8315226.stm
Posted by: Bill1 Oct 22 2009, 10:18 AM
It is because of the main stream parties ignoring peoples views and aspirations and so many MP's on both sides proving to be corrupt and self-serving that have driven voters to seriously consider the BNP and UKIP as a viable alternative.
Tonights program will be a farce that will only give the BNP more credibility. I expect that the Left wing louts in the audience will make Mr Griffin look like a martyr by not letting him speak.
The great David Dimbleby will not allow that to happen.
Posted by: regor Oct 22 2009, 01:42 PM
There is of course the nightmare scenario.
N.G. comes across as a beacon of common-sense with robust but sensible views whilst some at least of the other panellists come across as shouty incoherent splutterers.
Posted by: Bloggo Oct 22 2009, 01:54 PM
N.G. comes across as a beacon of common-sense with robust but sensible views whilst some at least of the other panellists come across as shouty incoherent splutterers.
Yep and that could happen if NG can restrain himself from over reacting to the inevitable negative reaction to his views.
In fact if he keeps his cool there are only plus's in this event for him and the BNP
Posted by: admin Oct 22 2009, 04:04 PM
Watch the video to see Newburytoday.co.uk’s interview with outspoken party leader when he visited Newbury in 2007
FOR those people who are interested and who are unable to see the BNP’s Nick Griffin on the BBC’s Question Time tonight (Thursday), Newburytoday.co.uk caught up with the controversial leader two years ago when he visited Newbury.
Mr Griffin visited West Berkshire to discuss his party’s decision to field two candidates in that year’s local elections in which they polled 232 votes between them.
During the video interview, he was typically forthright about race, immigration and the London bombings.
Click on the link below and the video link to watch the interview.
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http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=3856
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 22 2009, 04:15 PM
It could be that the loony left stop him from actually getting into the studios.
This would be a great 'boon' for him as it would allow him to not face the questions he needs to answer and actually cause public empathy. Idiots.
Posted by: GMR Oct 22 2009, 05:57 PM
Watching the news tonight I see there is a lot of trouble at the BBC.
What annoys me was those Anti fascist organisations; they have a nerve to criticise the BNP and behave like animals themselves. Many people watching that will think; 'If I've got a choice between the two I know which I'd prefer.' To me both are as bad as each other.
Posted by: Bloggo Oct 23 2009, 07:50 AM
Well, what a strange program Question time was last night.
Nick Griffin made a fool of himself and found himself having to respond to statements he made years ago.
Nobody really quizzed him on his policies now. He got let off the hook in my opinion.
David Dimbleby sadly prefers to hear his own voice rather than that of the panel or the audience and Jack Straw spent all evening evading every question pointed in his direction.
All very predictable and pointless.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 23 2009, 08:48 AM
Nick Griffin made a fool of himself and found himself having to respond to statements he made years ago.
Nobody really quizzed him on his policies now. He got let off the hook in my opinion.
David Dimbleby sadly prefers to hear his own voice rather than that of the panel or the audience and Jack Straw spent all evening evading every question pointed in his direction.
All very predictable and pointless.
In my view the only one that showed any semblence of intelligence was Bonnie Greer.
As for the Politicians no mention of Expenses, no mention of Unemployment, no mention of Recession, no mention of Bankers Bonuses. Question Time??? it was more a case of which Political Party can score the mose points against the BNP to try and make themseleves 'electable'. I would not vote for any of them. They are all lieing scum who have their snouts in the Westminster trough.
Posted by: BMR Oct 23 2009, 08:53 AM
I have never seen a better reason for all-women short lists. Bonnie Greer and Baroness Warzi stood head and shoulders above the three male turkeys. Nick Griffin showed himself to be a lightweight who had failed to do his homework; Jack Straw sat and gibbered pathetically without giving a single answer to anything, and Chris Who?
Posted by: JeffG Oct 23 2009, 09:26 AM
It was never going to be a normal Question Time, was it? The audience ask the questions that are most relevant to them and the panel on the day. They did manage to get a question about the Jan Moir article in at the end.
Would you say that to Richard Benyon's face? If not, shut up. From what I've read, he has claimed the minimum of expenses and has not been asked to pay anything back.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 23 2009, 09:31 AM
Jeff - I'll have my opinion and will not shut up. As a matter of fact I would not trust Benyon as far as I could throw him. Power corrupts.
So shut up yourself you ignorant man.
Posted by: Bill1 Oct 23 2009, 09:48 AM
As for the Politicians no mention of Expenses, no mention of Unemployment, no mention of Recession, no mention of Bankers Bonuses. Question Time??? it was more a case of which Political Party can score the mose points against the BNP to try and make themseleves 'electable'. I would not vote for any of them. They are all lieing scum who have their snouts in the Westminster trough.
How come it is allowed to use such language on here as "lying scum" (way over the top by the way) when it is not allowed to use the three letter word for a mule like creature, sometimes used to describe laws considered to be wrong?
Posted by: Bill1 Oct 23 2009, 09:53 AM
I am prepared to be corrected, but from what I've read on here I am guessing most of the people who have commented are not regular Question Time viewers.
David Dimbleby is not in love with his own voice, he is chairing what can be a heated panel and audience and his job is to make sure a full blown shoting match doesn't erupt and try to ensure the panelists give answers relevant to the questions asked and soin off in a direction of their choosing.
He is a master of his proffession.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 23 2009, 09:59 AM
Are you suggesting that Politicians are not liars????
Posted by: Bloggo Oct 23 2009, 10:03 AM
What a strange and unreasonable conclusion to come to. I watch it every week.
and have always thought that DD is over enthusiastic in asking his own questions and steering the discussion in the direction that he would like it to go rather than that of the audience.
Posted by: Bloggo Oct 23 2009, 10:06 AM
I believe that Richard Benyon is an honourable man and there is no evidence to suggest that he did anything untoward regarding his Parlimentary expenses however it is inevitable that he gets "tarred with the same brush"
I do find it difficult to believe that he did not know the corruption was going on though and decided not to rock the boat.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 23 2009, 10:35 AM
I do find it difficult to believe that he did not know the corruption was going on though and decided not to rock the boat.
Perhaps as Benyon is a very wealthy landowner he can 'afford' to be honourable.
Posted by: Bloggo Oct 23 2009, 10:37 AM
They can all afford to be honourable it is just that some don't have the morals to resist bending the rules when their is something in it for them.
Posted by: Bill1 Oct 23 2009, 10:38 AM
and have always thought that DD is over enthusiastic in asking his own questions and steering the discussion in the direction that he would like it to go rather than that of the audience.
Bloggo, I said "most".
I've always thought that DD tries to stop panelists from avoiding the audiences questions.
He does have a powerful persona, but look at who he is trying to deal with.
I was in the audience the last time the show was in Newbury and was lucky enough to be able to put a point accross, he met the audience before the show was recorded and came accross as an extremely affable and decent man.
Last nights show must have been the most difficult he has had to chair and I think he did a splendid job.
The most important thing for me though was that Griffin was shown to be the ignorant unintelligent biggoted clot that all right minded people surely already knew he was.
Posted by: Bill1 Oct 23 2009, 10:40 AM
Not all of them no. Martin Salter being a local example.
Posted by: JeffG Oct 23 2009, 10:41 AM
I shouldn't bother. TDH likes sweeping generalisations.
Posted by: Bloggo Oct 23 2009, 10:45 AM
I've always thought that DD tries to stop panelists from avoiding the audiences questions.
He does have a powerful persona, but look at who he is trying to deal with.
I was in the audience the last time the show was in Newbury and was lucky enough to be able to point accross, he met the audience before the show was recorded and came accross as an extremely affable and decent man.
Last nights show must have been the most difficult he gas had to chair and I think he did a splendid job.
Ok, I respect your view.
I would say that Jack Straw did not come over well either. He seldom gave a straight answer and was very devious when answering. I would not trust him and will be glad when hes gone.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 23 2009, 11:02 AM
I would say that Jack Straw did not come over well either. He seldom gave a straight answer and was very devious when answering. I would not trust him and will be glad when hes gone.
Especially when he tried to hijack the word 'Indigenous' and turn it into a 'racist' and not PC word. Buffoon.
Posted by: Hugh Saskin Oct 23 2009, 11:59 AM
Indiginous?
Posted by: Andy1 Oct 23 2009, 12:23 PM
I do find it difficult to believe that he did not know the corruption was going on though and decided not to rock the boat.
The second part of this comment contradicts the First. If somewhere honourable then I would expect them to rock the boat in this case.
Posted by: Bloggo Oct 23 2009, 12:41 PM
I take your point but I am not niave enough to believe that all politians put electorate before party
Posted by: regor Oct 23 2009, 03:43 PM
One could have a totally different 'take' on the programme.
Allow me to elucidate.
The hand picked audience was geared up to boo and jeer at everything N.G. said.
It was also primed to clap and cheer at every hostile question or remark from within its ranks.
The chairperson, D.D. did not treat N.G. with the same courtesy that he extended to all other members of the panel and at times was openly hostile to N.G.
All the questions from the audience were slanted and no other topic got a hearing apart from things denigrating N.G.
Every other member of the panel was aware that they could get a clap and cheer by saying something derogatory about N.G.
In short the programme was a one sided disgrace.
Having said all of the above and in order to forestall the wave of abuse I feel being prepared for me I must tell you that,
1. I have never supported right wing extremists like the NF or BNP
2. I have been a life long socialist with liberal leanings.
3. I believe that the anti-BNP lobby have shot itself in the foot and the British peoples instinctive support for the underdog may well lead to an increase in BNP support.
Posted by: user23 Oct 23 2009, 04:35 PM
So shut up yourself you ignorant man.
There's a easy way to solve this, let's see some evidence; let's see that you're not lying about it.
Posted by: GMR Oct 23 2009, 05:53 PM
I was watching the news tonight and even though some said that they were put off my Nick Griffin, some where attracted to him (or least his party) and thought he was unfairly treated. Some said they could vote for the BNP.
I thought the programme was a let down. I thought they were too interested in attacking him, rather than grilling him over his policies. I was pleased to see that Jack Straw didn't get it all his own way and some turned on him and his Labour party policies.
Posted by: On the edge Oct 23 2009, 07:27 PM
Tend to agree GMR. Some politicians treat the public as if they are stupid and therefore should not be permitted to think for themselves. Of course, some will even votre for BNP - but its been going a good few years and hasn't made any real headway. So, lets all calm down - he ain't going anywhere, but please don't treat me like a baby!
Posted by: Bill1 Oct 24 2009, 03:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk&feature=popular
Posted by: Iommi Oct 24 2009, 05:44 PM
Many can't and that's why we have the politics (and parties) that we have.
Posted by: On the edge Oct 24 2009, 06:06 PM
Agree that's true of some - don't think it’s a majority. Regrettably politics has been hi-jacked by ‘expert and professional' politicians who simply think they know better than the electorate. That is exacerbated by the media – who love nothing better than to fan flames; simply because it sells. Look at last Friday’s Sun. Frankly, if our politicians are looking for someone to blame for the rise of Nick Griffin – they don’t have to look far.
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