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post Aug 5 2018, 05:23 PM
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The split on believers/non-believers seems to be a reflection of the brexit division and one would be interested to know if one side favoured remain over leave? Then we could break it down into whether catholics favour european ties over c of e?
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post Aug 5 2018, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 5 2018, 06:23 PM) *
Run a poll!


Don't need to. Mainstream Catholic and CofE leadership are predominantly remain. Congregations represent their constituency views broadly. However, what would be regarded as the firing churches, very devout Christians who are strong leavers or in the don't care camp.

I suspect the 'follow national trend' result would be the same for most other categories. Working with small commercial and not for profit groups nationwide, result is same.

The interesting issue would be the result of another referendum. World Trade rules which are being plugged at the moment are seen as the 'exit' gate, now even by remainers. Quite a good number of remainers have 'seen the EU for what it is' thanks to Messrs Barnier(sic) and his boorish attitudes. So, I'm far from convinced another referendum would give 'remain' a majority. One common thread though, the biggest barrier to leave, ironically by both sides, is the demonstrable paucity of British management and commercial ability. In other words, not sure we are up to stand in on our own. This from a diverse cross functional groups but a small number nevertheless.


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post Aug 5 2018, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 5 2018, 07:23 PM) *
Don't need to. Mainstream Catholic and CofE leadership are predominantly remain. Congregations represent their constituency views broadly. However, what would be regarded as the firing churches, very devout Christians who are strong leavers or in the don't care camp.

I suspect the 'follow national trend' result would be the same for most other categories. Working with small commercial and not for profit groups nationwide, result is same.

The interesting issue would be the result of another referendum. World Trade rules which are being plugged at the moment are seen as the 'exit' gate, now even by remainers. Quite a good number of remainers have 'seen the EU for what it is' thanks to Messrs Barnier(sic) and his boorish attitudes. So, I'm far from convinced another referendum would give 'remain' a majority. One common thread though, the biggest barrier to leave, ironically by both sides, is the demonstrable paucity of British management and commercial ability. In other words, not sure we are up to stand in on our own. This from a diverse cross functional groups but a small number nevertheless.

So if the great nationalist project fails it’ll be because our managers weren’t up to it? Utter nonsense. We are jumping blindfolded off a cliff.

On your other point, I think a lot of the population have become more entrenched but there’s millions in the middle that have seen the mess we’re making of it all.
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post Aug 5 2018, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 5 2018, 08:14 PM) *
So if the great nationalist project fails it’ll be because our managers weren’t up to it? Utter nonsense. We are jumping blindfolded off a cliff.

On your other point, I think a lot of the population have become more entrenched but there’s millions in the middle that have seen the mess we’re making of it all.


I don't mean supervisors, more managements / directors. The issue isn't specifically EU either. It's more our rather the damage to trade and commerce our financial system creates. That is, a focus on short term returns and personal reward. For instance, most of our 'manufactured' foodstuffs are imported from the Continent these days, as is much confectionery etc. Our own plants simply become distribution points or just closed down. Ironically, the Governments hand would be strengthened if we started suggesting to the French and Dutch in particular that these plants will return. OK, this is arguably globalisation, but British managements never put up much of a fight and seem incapable of lobbying HMG for the protections from hostile take over that exist everywhere else. Cadbury, GKN, De La Rue being good examples. So, as we can't unload coal anymore, having no productive base means the only thing we have to offer is UK financial services - which as we all know aren't really widely respected.

Our negotiating stance with EU has been lacklustre and pedestrian, no great surprises. However, the stance of the EU has been that of the playground bully. As above, with the amount they presently import to us, they have rather more to lose. The fact we haven't been giving the French press scare stories about ramping down our need for Dannone etc, it quite a worry. The fact that the rest of the World manages with World Trade rules, which were only railed against by Vince Cable and the EU itself demonstrates the EU is actually not the free trade idealist it thinks it is.

The issue we have today, is that a good many of our peers simply don't accept anything either the EU or our own government is saying. Mainstream media, all of it, is increasingly seen as aligned and biased - so, for the first time for ages, people are assessing what they see against their own knowledge and experience.

Sure, there are still lots of pseudo intellectual types; still coming out with the same old bilge, even when it's demonstrably inaccurate and wrong. It's the likes of these, often in what were middle management roles generally in non productive organisations or finance only directorships that will bring us down.


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post Aug 5 2018, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 5 2018, 09:34 PM) *
Sure, there are still lots of pseudo intellectual types; still coming out with the same old bilge, even when it's demonstrably inaccurate and wrong. It's the likes of these, often in what were middle management roles generally in non productive organisations or finance only directorships that will bring us down.

Congratulations. Thats newres that is. 😂
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