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Andy Capp
post Jun 2 2018, 08:01 AM
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What on earth happened to poor Tommy Robinson? 10 Things You Should Know

ďIt can now be reported that Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, convicted fraudster, sometime-football hooligan and self-reinvented free speech advocate, was on Friday 25 May 2018 imprisoned for 13 months for contempt of court after livestreaming a broadcast, including footage of participants in a criminal trial, outside Leeds Crown Court...Ē
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post Jun 2 2018, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 2 2018, 09:01 AM) *
What on earth happened to poor Tommy Robinson? 10 Things You Should Know

ďIt can now be reported that Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, convicted fraudster, sometime-football hooligan and self-reinvented free speech advocate, was on Friday 25 May 2018 imprisoned for 13 months for contempt of court after livestreaming a broadcast, including footage of participants in a criminal trial, outside Leeds Crown Court...Ē


.....and presumably, like any self respecting 'freedom fighter' he'll go on hunger strike.


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post Jun 2 2018, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 2 2018, 02:37 PM) *
.....and presumably, like any self respecting 'freedom fighter' he'll go on hunger strike.

You hope. Chances are he'll be murdered inside so all the libs will be happy then. Job done.
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post Jun 2 2018, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 2 2018, 03:09 PM) *
You hope. Chances are he'll be murdered inside so all the libs will be happy then. Job done.


Making assumptions again and getting it wrong as usual. He is seriously damaging any chance of a sensible debate, let alone a sensible solution to the issues he seeks to address. I'll say it again, whilst his enthusiasm isn't in question; his lack of finance and indeed organisation, says he has no credible support.

Let's also be brutally honest, once he's inside, believe me, he'll find friends. His profile suggests he'll meet rather more than many imagine.


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post Jun 2 2018, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 1 2018, 07:19 AM) *
He just needs a decent brief! All the noise we've heard recently is fine, but it doesn't look as if anyone is willing to put their hand in their pocket to help him get some professional help with his campaign. So again, as the economists tell us, money sends a message.


Where have you been? There are many who ARE helping by donating. Myself included.


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post Jun 2 2018, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 2 2018, 09:01 AM) *
What on earth happened to poor Tommy Robinson? 10 Things You Should Know

ďIt can now be reported that Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, convicted fraudster, sometime-football hooligan and self-reinvented free speech advocate, was on Friday 25 May 2018 imprisoned for 13 months for contempt of court after livestreaming a broadcast, including footage of participants in a criminal trial, outside Leeds Crown Court...Ē


If the secret barrister is indeed a barrister, then the text of that blog says it all.


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post Jun 2 2018, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 2 2018, 05:29 PM) *
Making assumptions again and getting it wrong as usual. He is seriously damaging any chance of a sensible debate, let alone a sensible solution to the issues he seeks to address. I'll say it again, whilst his enthusiasm isn't in question; his lack of finance and indeed organisation, says he has no credible support.

Let's also be brutally honest, once he's inside, believe me, he'll find friends. His profile suggests he'll meet rather more than many imagine.


Unless the likes of TR exist, there will be no debate. Just look at the crap thrown at Lord Pearson for attempting to debate the very issues a lot of Brits are concerned about.

There is plenty of support and finance. Have you completely ignored the MEP's debate (Janice Atkinson), Germany, Australia, NZ, Tel Aviv, USA, London, Manchester, Online etc. This has gone global. Monitor this 577,000 + and the trend has not slowed. https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-free-tommy-robinson


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post Jun 2 2018, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2018, 06:23 AM) *
The reporting restrictions were on the trial he was ďreportingĒ. Iíve no idea why, but perhaps to protect the identity of some of the victims. Whether you agree with the law or not, you have to accept that if you breach it, you will be in trouble. Leaving aside the political debate thatís it!



If you took the time to watch the whole event, you will see and hear he asked the police where he could stand. You choose to ignore that fact, conveniently. This is a POLITICAL issue. He has been a thorn for years, so now they attempt to bring in capital punishment through the back door. Lord Pearson was correct in threatening the Home Secretary with legal action if anything happens to him. Why is it that a man who is telling the TRUTH about muslim gangs is jailed in less than 5 hours? I can only assume that your opposition to Tommy Robinson means you agree with sharia, fg
m, the hideous treatment of women and animals and those that do not believe in a **** who rode on a unicorn and shagged an 8 year old.


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post Jun 3 2018, 12:20 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 2 2018, 05:29 PM) *
Making assumptions again and getting it wrong as usual. He is seriously damaging any chance of a sensible debate, let alone a sensible solution to the issues he seeks to address. I'll say it again, whilst his enthusiasm isn't in question; his lack of finance and indeed organisation, says he has no credible support.

Let's also be brutally honest, once he's inside, believe me, he'll find friends. His profile suggests he'll meet rather more than many imagine.



Let's be brutally honest? Believe me? Is that like making a statement ending with "Fact"?

You know sod all about his life in the government detainment centre for those that don't tow the line or expose the narrative for what it is. Nothing.


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post Jun 3 2018, 04:59 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 2 2018, 11:15 PM) *
If you took the time to watch the whole event, you will see and hear he asked the police where he could stand. You choose to ignore that fact, conveniently. This is a POLITICAL issue. He has been a thorn for years, so now they attempt to bring in capital punishment through the back door. Lord Pearson was correct in threatening the Home Secretary with legal action if anything happens to him. Why is it that a man who is telling the TRUTH about muslim gangs is jailed in less than 5 hours? I can only assume that your opposition to Tommy Robinson means you agree with sharia, fg
m, the hideous treatment of women and animals and those that do not believe in a **** who rode on a unicorn and shagged an 8 year old.

Well I can only assume that by supporting him that you do not believe in our western values of justice and fair trials as it appears thatís the reason for the restrictions. If so, perhaps you belong in an extreme Muslim country? Or you think thereís a conspiracy? Iíll get you a tin foil hat. Like all extremists you canít see the truth through the rhetoric.

Oh and why would you contribute money to a criminal which is what he is? Reputable politicians, reporters etc. donít have a criminal past. Interestingly extremists of all persuasions often do but it doesnít stop the under educated following.
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post Jun 3 2018, 06:07 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 3 2018, 05:59 AM) *
Well I can only assume that by supporting him that you do not believe in our western values of justice and fair trials as it appears thatís the reason for the restrictions. If so, perhaps you belong in an extreme Muslim country? Or you think thereís a conspiracy? Iíll get you a tin foil hat. Like all extremists you canít see the truth through the rhetoric.

Oh and why would you contribute money to a criminal which is what he is? Reputable politicians, reporters etc. donít have a criminal past. Interestingly extremists of all persuasions often do but it doesnít stop the under educated following.


Quite. Essentially, Tommy Robinson has become the right wing Arthur Scargill, so a real issue and any genuine debate about it just gets lost because their antics swamp any other voice. Sadly, his earlier brushes with the law for violence were nothing to do with his political beliefs; so to me, he's simply someone who enjoys a ruck, no matter the reason. Given that his political campaigning is now having quite a negative effect, his supporters might question how any money or support is deployed.


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post Jun 3 2018, 06:40 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 2 2018, 11:15 PM) *
If you took the time to watch the whole event, you will see and hear he asked the police where he could stand. You choose to ignore that fact, conveniently. This is a POLITICAL issue. He has been a thorn for years, so now they attempt to bring in capital punishment through the back door. Lord Pearson was correct in threatening the Home Secretary with legal action if anything happens to him. Why is it that a man who is telling the TRUTH about muslim gangs is jailed in less than 5 hours? I can only assume that your opposition to Tommy Robinson means you agree with sharia, fg
m, the hideous treatment of women and animals and those that do not believe in a **** who rode on a unicorn and shagged an 8 year old.


If it's a political issue and I wouldn't disagree that the question he raises is certainly worth serious debate, then to gain any traction at all some input to our political arrangement is necessary. UKIP being an example of a group pursuing a single issue for a long period totally against established thinking; against the odds, they succeeded. They had their own share of extremists who were dealt with by a proper leadership. The only thing they failed to manage was the post success sustainability. So again, Tommy Robinsons approach which seems to hinge simply on public disorder is going to get nowhere fast.


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post Jun 3 2018, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 3 2018, 07:40 AM) *
If it's a political issue and I wouldn't disagree that the question he raises is certainly worth serious debate, then to gain any traction at all some input to our political arrangement is necessary. UKIP being an example of a group pursuing a single issue for a long period totally against established thinking; against the odds, they succeeded. They had their own share of extremists who were dealt with by a proper leadership. The only thing they failed to manage was the post success sustainability. So again, Tommy Robinsons approach which seems to hinge simply on public disorder is going to get nowhere fast.


A lot of people agree with what he is saying even if he may be the wrong person to say it. The trouble is ANYONE, even Jesus Christ himself would be the wrong person to "say it" and would be persecuted.
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post Jun 3 2018, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 3 2018, 09:25 AM) *
A lot of people agree with what he is saying even if he may be the wrong person to say it. The trouble is ANYONE, even Jesus Christ himself would be the wrong person to "say it" and would be persecuted.


Persecuted rather than prosecuted yes, a world of difference. Norman Tebbitt was never afraid to speak out and is still more than willing to say things that go against establishment thinking, as did Enoch Powell. Both had followings, both were and indeed, still are reported but still no substantial movement. Nigel Farage was persecuted and generally rubbished by an establishment who didn't like him at all, nonetheless, he succeeded. So, then, perhaps for Tommy Robinson, the issue is the message as well as the messenger.


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post Jun 3 2018, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 3 2018, 02:17 PM) *
Persecuted rather than prosecuted yes, a world of difference. Norman Tebbitt was never afraid to speak out and is still more than willing to say things that go against establishment thinking, as did Enoch Powell. Both had followings, both were and indeed, still are reported but still no substantial movement. Nigel Farage was persecuted and generally rubbished by an establishment who didn't like him at all, nonetheless, he succeeded. So, then, perhaps for Tommy Robinson, the issue is the message as well as the messenger.

Whatís the message though? Itís not about protection of the vulnerable, itís merely making a fuss whenever thereís a grooming gang in court with brown faces. Itís infantile. Wasnít an EDL founder recently convicted of paedophila?
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Whatís the message though? Itís not about protection of the vulnerable, itís merely making a fuss whenever thereís a grooming gang in court with brown faces. Itís infantile. Wasnít an EDL founder recently convicted of paedophila?

This lot?

https://timetostartcaring.com/the-labour-pa...aedophile-list/

And you are a Labour supporter.
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post Jun 3 2018, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 3 2018, 03:30 PM) *

No I'm not. tongue.gif

But anyway, who's going to go round searching for and screaming about the few responsible for this and imply that in some way the Labour party is responsible? Anyone that did would be condemned as a nutter I'd think. Only other nutters would support him. It's mental.
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 3 2018, 04:54 PM) *
No I'm not. tongue.gif

But anyway, who's going to go round searching for and screaming about the few responsible for this and imply that in some way the Labour party is responsible? Anyone that did would be condemned as a nutter I'd think. Only other nutters would support him. It's mental.


You quoted that an EDL member was convicted. You are calling yourself a nutter.😂
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post Jun 3 2018, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 3 2018, 05:51 PM) *
You quoted that an EDL member was convicted. You are calling yourself a nutter.😂

I was making the point that in all religions, races, parties, professions there exist deviants. What we should not do is draw conclusions about everyone in that group based upon the actions of a few. To do so lacks intelligence.
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 3 2018, 09:34 PM) *
I was making the point that in all religions, races, parties, professions there exist deviants. What we should not do is draw conclusions about everyone in that group based upon the actions of a few. To do so lacks intelligence.

Quite agree. Practice what you preach then. Just a thought.
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