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post May 2 2018, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 1 2018, 12:02 AM) *
"LABOUR'S Emily Thornberry faced embarrassment today as she was forced to admit that it was HER party who first said they would create a "hostile environment" for illegal immigrants.

The Shadow Foreign Secretary said she knew that former Home Secretary Alan Johnson first used the phrase in a speech."


Another unsubstantiated quote from JSC.
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post May 2 2018, 10:00 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ May 2 2018, 09:22 AM) *
Another unsubstantiated quote from JSC.

Google it, its what's known as a fact.


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post May 2 2018, 11:11 AM
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Why because you said it is? You cite your opinion as fact an awful lot on here.

If you google it the only place other than you that says it is the sun. If that's considered a reliable source of information then I'm gonna start quoting Viz.
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post May 2 2018, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ May 2 2018, 12:11 PM) *
Why because you said it is? You cite your opinion as fact an awful lot on here.

If you google it the only place other than you that says it is the sun. If that's considered a reliable source of information then I'm gonna start quoting Viz.

It's cited in various newsfeeds boy. If your too lazy or stupid to do research then that's not our problem. And Via is about your level for political commentary.


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post May 2 2018, 12:32 PM
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Read that on BBC site couple of weeks ago? And if I remember on the independent? VIZ! Is that still going? How's Billy the fish?


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post May 3 2018, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 2 2018, 12:49 PM) *
It's cited in various newsfeeds boy. If your too lazy or stupid to do research then that's not our problem. And Via is about your level for political commentary.

If it's in various newsfeeds then just supply a link! I did my research, and it isn't in loads of news feeds because this issue keeps changing and everyone keeps blaming everyone else.

You just keep bleating your opinons out and citing them as fact. That is both lazy and stupid.

You prick.
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post May 3 2018, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 2 2018, 01:32 PM) *
Read that on BBC site couple of weeks ago? And if I remember on the independent? VIZ! Is that still going? How's Billy the fish?


Again, we can all say we've read something - it doesn't count though without some back up!

And Billy is still in goal, although he was manager for a bit when the other one retired!
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post May 3 2018, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ May 3 2018, 11:52 AM) *
Again, we can all say we've read something - it doesn't count though without some back up!

And Billy is still in goal, although he was manager for a bit when the other one retired!

You could check Hansard old chap, it was said in the house after all. I know I read it, but I'm not so desperate to prove a point as to spend time trolling through the net to prove it. Good news about Billy though!


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post May 3 2018, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ May 3 2018, 11:50 AM) *
If it's in various newsfeeds then just supply a link! I did my research, and it isn't in loads of news feeds because this issue keeps changing and everyone keeps blaming everyone else.

You just keep bleating your opinons out and citing them as fact. That is both lazy and stupid.

You prick.

1; I never said loads, just various.
2; This is a forum where opinions are offered. That's why it's called a forum.
3; if you don't like those opinions, don't read them.
4; Its not unsubstantiated, you've seen it in a daily newsfeed, ie the Sun.
5; Your refusal to accept the facts is as baffling as it is risible.


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post May 3 2018, 01:28 PM
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And here,

https://www.healthbreakingnews.net/2018/04/...o-windrush-row/
Here

http://www.immigrationnewswire.com/emily-t...o-windrush-row/

In here

https://www.wikinow.co/topic/shadow-foreign-secretary

And finally

https://youtu.be/wcr5yBrrDsg

So, you did your research huh?


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post May 3 2018, 01:43 PM
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It was on the Andrew Marr show, its on iPlayer, "seek and though shalt look!"

Quotey thing,

"BBC host Nick Robinson told Ms Thornberry that it wasn't the Tories who first used the phrase "hostile environment", it was Labour.

A UK Home Office report from February 2010 said: "This strategy sets out how we will continue our efforts to cut crime and make the UK a hostile environment for those that seek to break our laws or abuse our hospitality."

Ministers at the time were trying to prove they could be tough on immigration, but voters booted Labour out at the ballot box later in 2010.

Today Ms Thornberry admitted: "Alan Johnson first used it in a speech."


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post May 4 2018, 05:27 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 3 2018, 02:43 PM) *
It was on the Andrew Marr show, its on iPlayer, "seek and though shalt look!"

Quotey thing,

"BBC host Nick Robinson told Ms Thornberry that it wasn't the Tories who first used the phrase "hostile environment", it was Labour.

A UK Home Office report from February 2010 said: "This strategy sets out how we will continue our efforts to cut crime and make the UK a hostile environment for those that seek to break our laws or abuse our hospitality."

Ministers at the time were trying to prove they could be tough on immigration, but voters booted Labour out at the ballot box later in 2010.

Today Ms Thornberry admitted: "Alan Johnson first used it in a speech."

So coining a phrase now makes one Pohl Pot. You’re being ridiculous.
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post May 4 2018, 06:47 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 4 2018, 06:27 AM) *
So coining a phrase now makes one Pohl Pot. You’re being ridiculous.


Don't worry, it's classic deflection stuff. The Conservatives are petrified that no one gets near enough to shine a torch on the real cuprit, under whose watch the fire was lit. Whilst they don't like her, the Blessed Theresa must stay in post until their civil war subsides!

The really sporopriate phrase, also coined about a Tory PM seems singularly appropriate now Amber Rudd has gone - 'greater love hath no man that he lays down his friends for his life'.


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post May 4 2018, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 4 2018, 07:47 AM) *
Don't worry, it's classic deflection stuff. The Conservatives are petrified that no one gets near enough to shine a torch on the real cuprit, under whose watch the fire was lit. Whilst they don't like her, the Blessed Theresa must stay in post until their civil war subsides!

The really sporopriate phrase, also coined about a Tory PM seems singularly appropriate now Amber Rudd has gone - 'greater love hath no man that he lays down his friends for his life'.

Exactly like the anti Semitic nonsense. In the same way that I’m an Islamophobe for finding ISIS or Saudi Arabia abhorrent.
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post May 4 2018, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ May 3 2018, 11:50 AM) *
You just keep bleating your opinons out and citing them as fact. That is both lazy and stupid.

You prick.

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post May 4 2018, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 4 2018, 06:27 AM) *
So coining a phrase now makes one Pohl Pot. You’re being ridiculous.

You were wrong though, it was said, it is a fact, you said it was an unsubstantiated opinion and it wasn't. You're not even man enough to admit it. Just keep wriggling away, being abusive, being wrong. Same old same old.
And as for your claim of I've done research? Took me ten seconds to track the program down, so again, you're either a liar or just too damned lazy or stupid to do it yourself.


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post May 4 2018, 08:16 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 4 2018, 07:47 AM) *
Don't worry, it's classic deflection stuff. The Conservatives are petrified that no one gets near enough to shine a torch on the real cuprit, under whose watch the fire was lit. Whilst they don't like her, the Blessed Theresa must stay in post until their civil war subsides!

The really sporopriate phrase, also coined about a Tory PM seems singularly appropriate now Amber Rudd has gone - 'greater love hath no man that he lays down his friends for his life'.

You mean Tony Blair, labour, 2010. As admitted by labour, on TV. And talking of civil war, how's jc's party at the moment? Short of physical attacks couldn't get a lot worse!


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post May 4 2018, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 4 2018, 09:16 AM) *
You mean Tony Blair, labour, 2010. As admitted by labour, on TV. And talking of civil war, how's jc's party at the moment? Short of physical attacks couldn't get a lot worse!

And the much vaunted "sweeping aside" of the Tories yesterday?
From auntie beeb, again,

"But, in the words of Sir John Curtice, Jeremy Corbyn's party has come out of this more or less "empty-handed", and they can't show the kind of progress they would be shouting about if they were truly convinced they were on a rapid march to Number 10."

Couldn't even win Swindon! Or the council from Grenfell tower! They boasted " we'll turn the map of London red, NOT ONE SINGLE COUNCIL! Not one. cool.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post May 4 2018, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 4 2018, 09:01 AM) *
You were wrong though, it was said, it is a fact, you said it was an unsubstantiated opinion and it wasn't. You're not even man enough to admit it. Just keep wriggling away, being abusive, being wrong. Same old same old.
And as for your claim of I've done research? Took me ten seconds to track the program down, so again, you're either a liar or just too damned lazy or stupid to do it yourself.

Ahh, but that's just opinion, doesn't count.


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post May 4 2018, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 4 2018, 09:26 AM) *
Ahh, but that's just opinion, doesn't count.

You're right, sorry sir, won't appen agin like! smile.gif


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