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Feb 23 2011, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (panda @ Feb 23 2011, 01:25 PM) Just one more thing before i go out to play. how did simon's shed get second place in a competition. It looks like a run of the mill shed to me. the ones you can get from homebase. panda you really should get out more! the shed came second in a national competition, and has been featured on TV and Radio. I have been privileged to see photo's of the construction, and of the interior. It's a well made shed, mostly from reclaimed / recycled products. the sheds your mummy buys from homebase are not actually fit for purpose (as an allotment shed) but probably OK as a play-pen for you, or somewhere to keep your toys in.
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Feb 23 2011, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 23 2011, 01:06 PM) Is there actually a mechanism to force a deparishing? As dannyboy alluded, there's no compunction on a parish council to take action on the result of a public referendum.
An indoor market/arcade is a great idea - I love going round places like that. If it was tied in with the charter market then so much the better. Successful town markets have created a unique brand for themselves - like books, or food, or antiques, etc. I suspect the salvation of a market/arcade would involve a similar distinctiveness. I can't say I support deparishing completely. I'm all for devolving services, but I'm not sure getting rid of the Parish completely is a good thing. Just my personal opinion.
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Feb 23 2011, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Feb 23 2011, 04:34 PM) I can't say I support deparishing completely. I'm all for devolving services, but I'm not sure getting rid of the Parish completely is a good thing. Just my personal opinion. Personally I think having a whole load of trumped up Margo Leadbetters running anything they could get their hands on would be great.
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Feb 23 2011, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 23 2011, 04:01 PM) OK, far be it for me to decide how things should be, but currently a number of people are allowing panda to ruin the thread. Of course, there could be a few people here that are happy to see that happen.
That is enough from me on this. Andy, as you realise, you are not forum manager, so I/we can reply to whoever/whenever we want to. I don't normally feed trolls but 'ya know what I was bored and it was entertaining, and I may well feed the panda again, but it is not to 'annoy' YOU
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Feb 23 2011, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Feb 23 2011, 04:34 PM) I can't say I support deparishing completely. I'm all for devolving services, but I'm not sure getting rid of the Parish completely is a good thing. Just my personal opinion. Just what use are they if they are not representing the taxpayer? I do not know how many allotmenteers are, or would, support self management if all the facts were known? But if the savings for the taxpayer are what are estimated then why are the council not all for it? Just look at the cost of running NTC what do the taxpayer get for this? Do we deserve to let a council like this survive when they treat a tenant in this way? To evict a tenant for explaining the law to them and pointing out they have not followed procedure to raise rents is totally wrong. Simon may not be the most polite person when it comes to explaining the grievances he has with NTC but that is no excuse for what they are doing to him now.
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Feb 23 2011, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Feb 23 2011, 06:02 PM) Just what use are they if they are not representing the taxpayer? I do not know how many allotmenteers are, or would, support self management if all the facts were known? But if the savings for the taxpayer are what are estimated then why are the council not all for it? Just look at the cost of running NTC what do the taxpayer get for this? Do we deserve to let a council like this survive when they treat a tenant in this way? To evict a tenant for explaining the law to them and pointing out they have not followed procedure to raise rents is totally wrong.
Simon may not be the most polite person when it comes to explaining the grievances he has with NTC but that is no excuse for what they are doing to him now. I would love to see Simon and people with a genuine interest in local issues on the town council. I agree that allotments could be self managed if there was demand, and I agree that the xmas lights could be farmed out too. But there would still be the need for a parish functionality of some kind. The best way to force change is by standing up and trying to help make it happen by getting elected. Simon, you have my support with allotments, and as you know I'm happy to sit down with you at any point to help put together a strong proposal to put forward tothe council. I just don't feel that I can support complete de-parishing.
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Feb 23 2011, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Feb 23 2011, 06:07 PM) I agree that allotments could be self managed if there was demand, and I agree that the xmas lights could be farmed out too. But there would still be the need for a parish functionality of some kind. The best way to force change is by standing up and trying to help make it happen by getting elected. Holy Mackrel - a Post I agree with 100%. Well, the bit above. Xmas lights used to be in house & done each year by NTC's own electrician. Now they are contracted out.
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Feb 23 2011, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 23 2011, 07:11 PM) Holy Mackrel - a Post I agree with 100%. Well, the bit above. It's a miracle!!
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Feb 23 2011, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Feb 23 2011, 06:07 PM) I would love to see Simon and people with a genuine interest in local issues on the town council. I agree that allotments could be self managed if there was demand, and I agree that the xmas lights could be farmed out too. But there would still be the need for a parish functionality of some kind. The best way to force change is by standing up and trying to help make it happen by getting elected.
Simon, you have my support with allotments, and as you know I'm happy to sit down with you at any point to help put together a strong proposal to put forward tothe council. I just don't feel that I can support complete de-parishing. Point well made Richard, and as it happens I do agree. I believe more in parish councils than any other branch of the state, and I especially believe in their central role in community life, empowering, energising, and enabling. It's the damndest thing but I've always believed that a parish council with it's democratic machinery and statutory accountability is actually a safer pair of hands to hold the allotment service than a fully devolved service. The problem is that Newbury Town Council is out of control and that does limit the options. I don't want to see Newbury de-parished, but I do want to see it behaving legitimately, and I don't see the current regeime making that choice for themselves.
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Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
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Feb 23 2011, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 23 2011, 08:37 PM) It's a miracle!! I do them to order.
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Feb 23 2011, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Feb 22 2011, 11:42 PM) Yes, and you can start by coming up with a thread more interesting. Something about capitol punishment, severe gaols, ASBOs, gassing paedos, immigration and the like should suit you. Just spotted that - must have missed it! Very good (PS Thought you were in retirement?)
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Feb 23 2011, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 23 2011, 11:18 PM) Just spotted that - must have missed it! Very good (PS Thought you were in retirement?) He will never be in retirement! Iommi and others live for this forum....
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Feb 23 2011, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 23 2011, 11:13 PM) I do them to order. How do I get one?
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Feb 23 2011, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 24 2011, 12:24 AM) Oh proberly, everyone else seems to be.......... There's only one of me. Yes I know - Thank goodness most will say!
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Feb 23 2011, 11:33 PM
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[quote name='Biker1' date='Feb 23 2011, 11:26 PM' post='36009'] There's only one of me. Yes I know - Thank goodness most will say! [/quot Me too, all this pretending to be other people s h i t is becming boring I still say lets all meet up for a serious debate....in the pub!
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