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post Feb 1 2018, 08:51 AM
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Big Problems Around The Corner:

Like many around West Berkshire I'm an Oil user for heating/hot water.

Alarmed to see in a trade magazine that the Government is intent on phasing out
"off grid" appliances (eg oil) by as early as 2022.
Perhaps cravenly following some EU edict?

Presumably initially would apply to New Builds not being signed off
under Building Regs. if the builder had installed an oil or Calor heating system.

But will they also extend to banning existing users having an oil boiler replaced?
Failure to comply with the new Regs. leads to unlimited fines apparently, as
will apply with the updated Part L Building Regs from April 2018 regards
fitting of any new boiler.

Article references DEVIZES; there 60% of the 25,000 dwellings are on oil; that
constituency is represented by Claire Perry, the Minister of State for Climate Change
& Industry.

Hopefully this'll get delayed ad infinitum, as getting all existing oil users to use
electricity makes no sense as we're on a wafer's edge regards supply already.
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post Feb 1 2018, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE (gel @ Feb 1 2018, 10:51 AM) *
Big Problems Around The Corner:

Like many around West Berkshire I'm an Oil user for heating/hot water.

Alarmed to see in a trade magazine that the Government is intent on phasing out
"off grid" appliances (eg oil) by as early as 2022.
Perhaps cravenly following some EU edict?

Presumably initially would apply to New Builds not being signed off
under Building Regs. if the builder had installed an oil or Calor heating system.

But will they also extend to banning existing users having an oil boiler replaced?
Failure to comply with the new Regs. leads to unlimited fines apparently, as
will apply with the updated Part L Building Regs from April 2018 regards
fitting of any new boiler.

Article references DEVIZES; there 60% of the 25,000 dwellings are on oil; that
constituency is represented by Claire Perry, the Minister of State for Climate Change
& Industry.

Hopefully this'll get delayed ad infinitum, as getting all existing oil users to use
electricity makes no sense as we're on a wafer's edge regards supply already.

Surely LPG is "off grid" also?
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post Feb 1 2018, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 1 2018, 09:48 AM) *
Surely LPG is "off grid" also?

Yes absolutely, hence my reference to Calor; unsure if solid fuel falls
within the scope too?
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post Feb 1 2018, 11:57 AM
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I can't in my wildest dreams see this being applied to existing structures. In fact even with new build, if it can be demonstrated that no other form of fuel ie; gas can be accessed. Unless the intent is to force everyone to use electricity for heating. Don't see it somehow.
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post Feb 1 2018, 07:44 PM
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This is old news, fuel industry have known about this for ages. Price will probably be the biggest driver anyway. It's a pretty obvious step if you think about it and yes, the future is electric.


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post Feb 2 2018, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (gel @ Feb 1 2018, 08:51 AM) *
Big Problems Around The Corner:


Perhaps cravenly following some EU edict?

That's an interesting point to add, is there any reason for it? Is it based on something I mean or just something you've made up in your mind?
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post Feb 2 2018, 06:09 PM
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EU targets on Co2 emissions.
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post Feb 2 2018, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 2 2018, 06:09 PM) *
EU targets on Co2 emissions.


Which the UK actually promoted!


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post Feb 2 2018, 07:40 PM
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And? Your point is?
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post Feb 2 2018, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 2 2018, 07:40 PM) *
And? Your point is?


Pretty obvious if you'd bothered to read the rest of the thread. Or should I spell it out?



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post Feb 2 2018, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 2 2018, 08:13 PM) *
Pretty obvious if you'd bothered to read the rest of the thread. Or should I spell it out?

Gonna snow Tuesday, lots of snowflakes, be good company for you laugh.gif


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post Feb 2 2018, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 2 2018, 08:13 PM) *
Pretty obvious if you'd bothered to read the rest of the thread. Or should I spell it out?

Might be easier if you get an adult to do it.
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post Feb 3 2018, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 2 2018, 10:21 PM) *
Might be easier if you get an adult to do it.


Your Carer presumably? laugh.gif


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post Feb 3 2018, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 2 2018, 08:46 PM) *
Gonna snow Tuesday, lots of snowflakes, be good company for you laugh.gif


Yay, looking forward to it! A day when all you 'little businesses' stay at home. 'Sorry luv, can't make it in this; we'll 'af to reschedule'. tongue.gif


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post Feb 3 2018, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 3 2018, 08:52 AM) *
Yay, looking forward to it! A day when all you 'little businesses' stay at home. 'Sorry luv, can't make it in this; we'll 'af to reschedule'. tongue.gif

Yes it's a tough life, I can stay at home with a nice glass of red, researching boats while docking the pay of anyone who rings in 'sorry boss, can't make it in cos of the snow'' I'm dreading the whole experience. Give us a tootle while you slog into your dreary little makework through the slush eh? laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Feb 3 2018, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 3 2018, 11:33 AM) *
Yes it's a tough life, I can stay at home with a nice glass of red, researching boats while docking the pay of anyone who rings in 'sorry boss, can't make it in cos of the snow'' I'm dreading the whole experience. Give us a tootle while you slog into your dreary little makework through the slush eh? laugh.gif laugh.gif


Aah, perchance to dream! Still it might just work out. Better than fretting about if there will still be a market when it's your turn to unload it, sell up and use what's left for the motor launch and the seniors studio flat. Seriously, hope your imminent retirement plans hold good and market or natural forces don't hit too hard.


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post Feb 3 2018, 07:41 PM
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Stock markets at record highs, exports booming, sterlings gaining against the dollar and the euro, why worry?


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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 3 2018, 07:41 PM) *
Stock markets at record highs, exports booming, sterlings gaining against the dollar and the euro, why worry?


Dead right, and will you, the classic, local little man actually benefit? Quite possibly today and so your ambition will be fulfilled, but, even you must admit, that achievable as it will be, that ambition was necessarily limited. Again, no issue with that, save to survive on our own in the future, we really need business people with a lot more fire in their bellies. As you rightly say; why worry, tomorrow is for the next generation.


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post Feb 4 2018, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Feb 3 2018, 09:33 PM) *
Dead right, and will you, the classic, local little man actually benefit? Quite possibly today and so your ambition will be fulfilled, but, even you must admit, that achievable as it will be, that ambition was necessarily limited. Again, no issue with that, save to survive on our own in the future, we really need business people with a lot more fire in their bellies. As you rightly say; why worry, tomorrow is for the next generation.

The next generation know everything, they keep telling me that, so let them manage, same as I had to. Oh and I import my base units from China, re engineer here and them resell throughout the UK and parts of europe. Not bad for someone who started out by banging out second hand ex rental TV's. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 4 2018, 12:00 AM) *
The next generation know everything, they keep telling me that, so let them manage, same as I had to. Oh and I import my base units from China, re engineer here and them resell throughout the UK and parts of europe. Not bad for someone who started out by banging out second hand ex rental TV's. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Indeed, it says a great deal; nothing can take that away. I think fir me, at least, you've summed up the issues neatly. First, there aren't many of you still around, in the words of Max Miller 'don't make 'em like that any more'. Second, you have to import the base units and third, you have to re-engineer to resell. Just how long before the Supplier sees an extra bit of profit and tries to do your bit too; which is, of course, the classic free market model.


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