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post Oct 1 2017, 05:10 PM
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At least we are civilized enough to allow the Scots a free vote. Spanish bad. Where is the condemnation from Juncker and Tusk? Shame on the EU. Walk of shame Juncker....
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post Oct 1 2017, 05:28 PM
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I thought we'd just refused one.
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post Oct 1 2017, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 1 2017, 06:10 PM) *
At least we are civilized enough to allow the Scots a free vote. Spanish bad. Where is the condemnation from Juncker and Tusk? Shame on the EU. Walk of shame Juncker....


Thought he was a prick long before this poked it's head above the parapet . The autonomous community of Spain may or may not be in favour of such a plebiscite but , as in any democratic Country , they are entitled to one if a enough public feeling dictates .
Like you said , the Scots will keep having one until they either get their way or give up , but that is their choice and it should be , and is , respected .


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post Oct 1 2017, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 1 2017, 06:36 PM) *
Thought he was a prick long before this poked it's head above the parapet . The autonomous community of Spain may or may not be in favour of such a plebiscite but , as in any democratic Country , they are entitled to one if a enough public feeling dictates .
Like you said , the Scots will keep having one until they either get their way or give up , but that is their choice and it should be , and is , respected .

No, Theresa May refused one.
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post Oct 1 2017, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 1 2017, 08:37 PM) *
No, Theresa May refused one.


They have had one and I certainly dont remember us sending thousands of riot police up North to smash up the ballot boxes and beat up old ladies. Selective memory? I dare say the Scots will get another one. And when they do we will let democracy decide. Unlike the Spanish Government who want to live in Junckers new USE. Dictatorship.
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post Oct 1 2017, 08:49 PM
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Sounds like another Spanish civil war on the way, just ordered a jumbo sack of popcorn. 🍿🍿🍿


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post Oct 4 2017, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 1 2017, 09:49 PM) *
Sounds like another Spanish civil war on the way, just ordered a jumbo sack of popcorn. 🍿🍿🍿



popcorn? how common.
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post Oct 4 2017, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 4 2017, 03:37 PM) *
popcorn? how common.

From Waitrose don't you know.
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post Oct 4 2017, 04:56 PM
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Reassuringly expensive.
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post Oct 4 2017, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 4 2017, 04:09 PM) *
From Waitrose don't you know.

Actually, just realized, some left over in the Fortnums hamper.


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post Oct 4 2017, 06:38 PM
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Where are the re-moaning federal supporters now ? Bit ironic that those who purport to have liberal , ( small L .....but there again ) , views are in essence supporting the suppression of democracy .
Care to comment Mr Cable ? angry.gif


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post Oct 4 2017, 07:24 PM
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I fear state violence would only increase outside the EU.
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post Oct 5 2017, 04:43 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 4 2017, 07:38 PM) *
Where are the re-moaning federal supporters now ? Bit ironic that those who purport to have liberal , ( small L .....but there again ) , views are in essence supporting the suppression of democracy .
Care to comment Mr Cable ? angry.gif

How is nationalism liberal?
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post Oct 5 2017, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 5 2017, 05:43 AM) *
How is nationalism liberal?



???? huh.gif


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post Oct 5 2017, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 5 2017, 09:17 AM) *
???? huh.gif

Since when is nationalism something that liberal minded people get excised about? It's not as though the Catalans are discriminated against that I know of?
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post Oct 5 2017, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 5 2017, 09:17 AM) *
???? huh.gif

Since when is nationalism something that liberal minded people get excised about? It's not as though the Catalans are discriminated against that I know of?
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post Oct 5 2017, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 5 2017, 09:30 AM) *
Since when is nationalism something that liberal minded people get excised about? It's not as though the Catalans are discriminated against that I know of?


My point being is that the liberal ,( with both small and large L ) , element of this Country are by and large pro EU and therefore consider Jean-Claude Juncker some sort of deity . His view on the Spanish issue ? Haven't a clue , but he is supposedly looking after the interests of ALL European citizens .
The Catalonians are seeking to distance themselves from a central government , ( in this case Madrid ) as opposed to an increasingly federal Europe but this new found nationalism that is appearing over the whole Continent is the result of centralisation from Brussels .
Do not confuse membership of the Common Market with European Union . People run Countries not political wannabes and National identity should be respected not suppressed .


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post Oct 6 2017, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 5 2017, 10:51 AM) *
My point being is that the liberal ,( with both small and large L ) , element of this Country are by and large pro EU and therefore consider Jean-Claude Juncker some sort of deity .

You fit in well here with the other Daily Mail readers. rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 6 2017, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 5 2017, 10:51 AM) *
My point being is that the liberal ,( with both small and large L ) , element of this Country are by and large pro EU and therefore consider Jean-Claude Juncker some sort of deity .

huh.gif I guess what you mean between the hyperbole, is that 'the liberals' like being in the EU.
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post Oct 6 2017, 12:34 PM
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Show me a 'remoaner' and I'll show you a Libtard.


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