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> 25 years ago a sad day that shocked the UK, Michael Ryan carriied out mass murder nearby
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post Aug 19 2012, 07:23 PM
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How quickly time passes since the dramatic events of Hungerford today in 1987.

Many readers may not have heard of sad event possibly.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2534669.stm

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post Aug 20 2012, 07:13 AM
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It is right and proper to remember those who died and send our thoughts to families and all those affected.

I would however, question the need to post on here about it and most definitely disagree with the need to post a picture.

I'm sure that there is no ill intention on your behalf Gel, so please don't take this the wrong way. It is, after all, just my opinion.


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post Aug 20 2012, 07:34 AM
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No doubt gel you'll receive more posts from people like myself who were there that day that believe this is still a very sensitive topic. There was no need to have posted the photo.
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post Aug 20 2012, 09:02 AM
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It would be very much appreciated by all that were affected if you could please remove the photo.
Thank-you.
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post Aug 20 2012, 10:18 AM
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I too was in Hungerford on that fateful day 25 years ago, RIP those that so tragically had their lives cut short.
I concur with other posts on here, Gel, please remove the photo, it is not necessary, I am sure those that were directly involved all have their own memories and do not need reminding.
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post Aug 20 2012, 11:47 AM
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Why the need to remove?

Surely, if you don't want to read the thread, you can ignore it.

It is not as if reading all threads is compulsory.


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post Aug 20 2012, 12:48 PM
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There is no 'need' to remove it.

However several people who were there in the town (and therefore directly affected by what happened) have asked that it be done.

I would think that it would not be too much to ask.

This ain't wikileaks, after all...!


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post Aug 20 2012, 01:09 PM
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I'm honestly not trying to be combative because I know it's a senstive subject but....

The BBC article carries a picture of Ryan himself and, on the very same page, also includes a link to a chronicle entry about Dunblane.

Has anyone asked the BBC to remove the picture of Ryan, or the article about Dunblane, or, while we're at it, any content about any horrible event in history that we'd rather forget about?

If people who understandably still feel sensitive about Hungerford choose to read a thread titled "25 years ago a sad day that shook the UK - Michael Ryan carried out mass murder nearby" then they really shouldn't be suprised by the thread content.

What I think is a bit odd is how the local newspaper, which you would have thought would be the only news organisation to approach it with sensitivity, simple ignores it as a matter of policy. Don't mention ze war.

Interesting thread Gel, thanks for the link to the BBC article.
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post Aug 20 2012, 01:29 PM
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As well as the sensitivity surrounding this there is another consideration.

People are still trying to draw a line under this. As was said at the memorial 5 years ago, it is time to try and move on and let the people of Hungerford deal with it themselves (which i think may be one of the reasons for the lack if NWN coverage).

Peoples responses on here demonstrate how raw it still is for some of us which is not helped by having the post and picture here.

To a degree I do agree with what you say about people reading a thread with this title but the difference is that this is in a forum highly likely to be used by people from Hungerford as part of their everyday lives whilst you would have to actively search for the BBC story.

Its not about trying to suppress free speech or debate, purely asking for a little consideration from reasonable people.


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post Aug 20 2012, 02:18 PM
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I think people are being a little over-sensitive to the OP's picture. Having said that, if I was asked to remove a picture, under the circumstances, I probably would, especially if it were someone who lived or knew people who live in one of the houses shown.
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post Aug 20 2012, 02:34 PM
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No need for this thread at all.
Let people remember if they need to in their own personal way.
We do not need reminding!
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post Aug 20 2012, 02:41 PM
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I was living in Hungerford at tlhat time, and if, after 25 years there are some who get 'upset' by pictures of Ryans house going up, then they need help. PTSD can take years to sort out. They should seek treatment. Anyone who was in Hungerford that afternoon and now lives to tell the tell is in fine shape and should give thanks everyday for how lucky they are, not cower behind the settee whenever a picture of the event comes onto the screen.

When Hamilton stalked through the school at Dunblane one of the children there was Andy Murray, The logic here seems to be 'don't televise his tennis matches because it might upset those who lived through it'.

What would be more pertinent would be to find out how it was that an armed gunman was allowed to roam the streets, set fire to buildings, and shoot whomsoever he wanted to for FIVE hours, without ever once being challenged by the Police. That's the most upsetting bit.

Ian Tomlinson couldn't even make it home.
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post Aug 20 2012, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE (gel @ Aug 19 2012, 08:23 PM) *
Many readers may not have heard of sad event possibly.

What!!??? blink.gif
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post Aug 20 2012, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Aug 20 2012, 03:41 PM) *
I was living in Hungerford at tlhat time, and if, after 25 years there are some who get 'upset' by pictures of Ryans house going up, then they need help. PTSD can take years to sort out. They should seek treatment.

No-one is saying they are "upset" by the picture or thread if you read. Just that they do not see the need for this.
None of the posters here "needs treatment" just a little respect.
Thanks.
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post Aug 20 2012, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 20 2012, 03:18 PM) *
I think people are being a little over-sensitive to the OP's picture. Having said that, if I was asked to remove a picture, under the circumstances, I probably would, especially if it were someone who lived or knew people who live in one of the houses shown.


I think this is spot on.

A better picture to have posted maybe would be that of a memorial to the victims.
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post Aug 20 2012, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE (DZPhoto @ Aug 20 2012, 10:02 AM) *
It would be very much appreciated by all that were affected if you could please remove the photo.
Thank-you.


I was affected by it, and I don't care if the picture stays or goes. Please don't pretend to talk for me. It's a house burning. It's a pity Ryan wasn't in it. Get over it.
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post Aug 20 2012, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Aug 20 2012, 03:41 PM) *
What would be more pertinent would be to find out how it was that an armed gunman was allowed to roam the streets, set fire to buildings, and shoot whomsoever he wanted to for FIVE hours, without ever once being challenged by the Police. That's the most upsetting bit.

Ian Tomlinson couldn't even make it home.


The two events you seem to compare are a quarter of a century apart, and I am not sure what you mean.

Of course, these days the police are much better trained and equipped to deal with a firearms incident. I remember the criticism of the delay at the time, but then the public wanted, and probably still want today, a routinely unarmed police.

Today, specialist skills can be expected to arrive at the scene of an incident very quickly, in 1987 that was not the case.
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post Aug 20 2012, 06:35 PM
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I would prefer it if there were not a picture but simple a reference to remember those lost and injured if anything. Some of us remember this not just once a year but every day. As for the comments about getting over it. Each person deals with things in a different way and I don't think its wrong to ask for reservation on bringing up the subject. It was horrific. It remains a horrific event in mine and others lives. I does not define my life. I do not need to get over anything.
And with regard to Police attendance. They did attend. This event was a defining moment in the history of police response to such incidents. Scrutinising it 25yrs later helps no one.
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post Aug 20 2012, 07:52 PM
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A short while ago many of us were shocked to learn of the death of local businessman Steve Huntley.

His tragic death in a motorcycle accident deeply affected his family, his friends, his work colleagues, his business partners and customers alike. Those of us who attended his funeral service will give free testament this.

So please, no pictures of Kawasaki bikes either.
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post Aug 20 2012, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (March Hair @ Aug 20 2012, 07:35 PM) *
Some of us remember this not just once a year but every day.

For 25 years?

QUOTE (March Hair @ Aug 20 2012, 07:35 PM) *
I do not need to get over anything.

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