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Andy Capp
post Jun 12 2018, 07:25 AM
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Why so worried about what people will see?
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post Jun 12 2018, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2018, 06:44 PM) *
Certainly no threat. Those claiming that free speech is a British value are only partly correct. If we really did have total free speech, we wouldn't have Speakers Corner - there would be no need. Equally, free speech works both ways - those who feel that things said are unpleasant and nasty must also be free to express themselves too. For my part, I've certainly no objection to people holding or indeed promoting what I might consider obnoxious views and will respond. So, that's free speech; it works both ways.

In this particular thread, surely you must recognise that the methods Tommy Robinson uses to promote his views follow exactly the methods adopted to set up the Soviet state - violent agitation - look at the EDL's website.


TR never encourages violence and he left the EDL years ago.


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post Jun 12 2018, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 12 2018, 09:23 AM) *
TR never encourages violence and he left the EDL years ago.


Yes, I agree, 2011 he left the organisation he founded and so surely set its values and objectives. He seems to have been in and out of a good few political parties and groupings, which in anyone else would suggest he's having massive difficulty in securing and sustaining support. From what I can make out, he's now operating as what could be described as a militant investigative reporter. I must also say his way of not encouraging violence is unusual to say the least.

It has to be said that the UKs ever growing population is creating siuations causing grave concern to many people and severe financial measures have significantly excaserbated the issue. Yet the mainstream political parties seem unwilling to properly address these issues. Sadly, one of the main reasons for this failure is the ugly behaviour of those perporting to get the issue properly discussed.

If the issue is to gain any traction at all; joining and attempting to influence mass political movements must be the way forward.


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post Jun 12 2018, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 12 2018, 09:23 AM) *
TR never encourages violence and he left the EDL years ago.

I guess he left because of the paedos?
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post Jun 12 2018, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 12 2018, 02:53 PM) *
I guess he left because of the paedos?


Then why are you so keen on jezza's party? after all it's not like they have any track record, or do they?

1. Liam Temple Labour Councillor Inciting a child into ‘gross’ indecency
2. Stewart BrownLabour Party Lord Mayor Child Pornography
3. Sam Chaudry Labour Party Lord Mayor Elect & Labour Party Councillor Child Rapist
4. Nicholas Green Labour Party Lord Mayor Labour Party Councillor 13 rapes & assaults on Children
5. Keith Potts Labour Party Councillor Junior School Governor
6. Alan Prescott Labour Party Councillor Molesting Children in a ‘Care-Home ‘Where he worked
7. Terry Power Labour Party Councillor Sex attacks on boys
8. Joseph Shaw Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
9. George Harding Labour Party Councillor Indecent assault on a child
10. Lee Benson Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
11. Raymond Coates Labour Party Councillor Child rape
12. Les Sheppard Labour Party Councillor Sex attacks and rapes on Children
13. Martyn Locklin Labour Party Councillor Rape & Indecent assault on boys
14. Nelson Bland Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
15. Greg Vincent Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography Films
16. Alec Dyer Atkins Labour Party Councillor Member of the ‘Shadows Brotherhood ‘Peadophile Ring. 42,000 images of Children being abused
17. Keith Rogers Labour Party Councillor 2,000 images of child pornography
18. Paul Diggert Labour Party Councillor Grooming children & child pornography
19. Peter Tuffley ( worked also for NSPCC & Barnardos ) Labour Party Personal assistant to Hazel Blears Caught in bed with a 13 year old boy
20. Mark Trotter Labour Party Member & Super Activist Child rapist with Aids
21. Yusef Azad Labour Party on the Greater London Assembly Computer seized in anti-Child Porn Operation
22. Gilbert Benn Labour Party Councillor Molesting a boy
23. David Spooner Labour Party Councillor Master…ed in front of Two little Children
24. Mark Tann Labour Party member & Activist Repeatedly raped Two girls under Eight years old.
25. Iestyn Tudor Davies Labour Party Councillor Repeatedly raped a Child

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26. John Friary Labour Party Councillor Grooming a child on facebook
27. Steve Carnell Labour Party Councillor Downloading Child and Animal Porn
28. Toren Smith Labour Party Councillor Found Guilty of 94.000 Images of Children Being Abused
29. Johnathan Phillips Labour Party Councillor Downloaded Child Porn on His Memory Stick. It Was Found in The Town Hall After a Labour Party Meeting
30. Phillip Lyon Labour Party Aide to Tony Blair His House of Commons Office Was Searched And He Was Found Guilty of Child Pornography
31. Mark Burton Labour Party Councillor Sexual molestation of child. Trial continues..
32. Neil Redrup Labour Party Councillor Found Guilty of opening sexually explicit content in front of child.
33. Timothy Edmeads Labour Party super activist and events organiser to Labour Lord Mayor guilty of sex assaults on 3 children.
34. Adrian Cirket Labour Party councillor and GMB union official downloading hundreds of sickening images of child abuse in his family home where he lived with his wife and three children..35. Darren Geoffrey Pedley Labour party councilor and chairman of the board of governors at Sandbrook primary school found guilty of downloading and distributing child pornography…36. Labour Councillor for Leicester Manish Sood found guilty of Grooming School kids for sex.
37. Evil Labour Party Councill Candidate & Junior School Governor Richard Harris Found guilty of offering Junior school children £500 for sex.
38. Ex Deputy Labour Party Lord Mayor John Johnson was charged with downloading hundreds of images of child molestation. Some of the images depicted sadomasochistic rituals with children being tortured and raped by multiple adults.
39. Labour Councillor for St Martins Ward & Lambeth Council Susan Smith along with her transvestite partner abducted and subjected a child to a three week rape ordeal.
40. North-west London councillor for the West Harrow ward and school governor Brian Gate resigned following his arrest over pornographic images of children.
41. Labour Party spin doctor and advisor Samuel Gamlin charged with making and distributing child rape videos.
42. Labour Party super activist and Council Candidate Ian Rankin was jailed for having in his possession video material containing some of the vilest kinds of child sexual abuse. Police say it was some of the worst paedophile material they had ever come across.
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post Jun 12 2018, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 12 2018, 04:41 PM) *
Then why are you so keen on jezza's party? after all it's not like they have any track record, or do they?

1. Liam Temple Labour Councillor Inciting a child into ‘gross’ indecency
2. Stewart BrownLabour Party Lord Mayor Child Pornography
3. Sam Chaudry Labour Party Lord Mayor Elect & Labour Party Councillor Child Rapist
4. Nicholas Green Labour Party Lord Mayor Labour Party Councillor 13 rapes & assaults on Children
5. Keith Potts Labour Party Councillor Junior School Governor
6. Alan Prescott Labour Party Councillor Molesting Children in a ‘Care-Home ‘Where he worked
7. Terry Power Labour Party Councillor Sex attacks on boys
8. Joseph Shaw Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
9. George Harding Labour Party Councillor Indecent assault on a child
10. Lee Benson Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
11. Raymond Coates Labour Party Councillor Child rape
12. Les Sheppard Labour Party Councillor Sex attacks and rapes on Children
13. Martyn Locklin Labour Party Councillor Rape & Indecent assault on boys
14. Nelson Bland Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography
15. Greg Vincent Labour Party Councillor Child Pornography Films
16. Alec Dyer Atkins Labour Party Councillor Member of the ‘Shadows Brotherhood ‘Peadophile Ring. 42,000 images of Children being abused
17. Keith Rogers Labour Party Councillor 2,000 images of child pornography
18. Paul Diggert Labour Party Councillor Grooming children & child pornography
19. Peter Tuffley ( worked also for NSPCC & Barnardos ) Labour Party Personal assistant to Hazel Blears Caught in bed with a 13 year old boy
20. Mark Trotter Labour Party Member & Super Activist Child rapist with Aids
21. Yusef Azad Labour Party on the Greater London Assembly Computer seized in anti-Child Porn Operation
22. Gilbert Benn Labour Party Councillor Molesting a boy
23. David Spooner Labour Party Councillor Master…ed in front of Two little Children
24. Mark Tann Labour Party member & Activist Repeatedly raped Two girls under Eight years old.
25. Iestyn Tudor Davies Labour Party Councillor Repeatedly raped a Child

PLUS+
26. John Friary Labour Party Councillor Grooming a child on facebook
27. Steve Carnell Labour Party Councillor Downloading Child and Animal Porn
28. Toren Smith Labour Party Councillor Found Guilty of 94.000 Images of Children Being Abused
29. Johnathan Phillips Labour Party Councillor Downloaded Child Porn on His Memory Stick. It Was Found in The Town Hall After a Labour Party Meeting
30. Phillip Lyon Labour Party Aide to Tony Blair His House of Commons Office Was Searched And He Was Found Guilty of Child Pornography
31. Mark Burton Labour Party Councillor Sexual molestation of child. Trial continues..
32. Neil Redrup Labour Party Councillor Found Guilty of opening sexually explicit content in front of child.
33. Timothy Edmeads Labour Party super activist and events organiser to Labour Lord Mayor guilty of sex assaults on 3 children.
34. Adrian Cirket Labour Party councillor and GMB union official downloading hundreds of sickening images of child abuse in his family home where he lived with his wife and three children..35. Darren Geoffrey Pedley Labour party councilor and chairman of the board of governors at Sandbrook primary school found guilty of downloading and distributing child pornography…36. Labour Councillor for Leicester Manish Sood found guilty of Grooming School kids for sex.
37. Evil Labour Party Councill Candidate & Junior School Governor Richard Harris Found guilty of offering Junior school children £500 for sex.
38. Ex Deputy Labour Party Lord Mayor John Johnson was charged with downloading hundreds of images of child molestation. Some of the images depicted sadomasochistic rituals with children being tortured and raped by multiple adults.
39. Labour Councillor for St Martins Ward & Lambeth Council Susan Smith along with her transvestite partner abducted and subjected a child to a three week rape ordeal.
40. North-west London councillor for the West Harrow ward and school governor Brian Gate resigned following his arrest over pornographic images of children.
41. Labour Party spin doctor and advisor Samuel Gamlin charged with making and distributing child rape videos.
42. Labour Party super activist and Council Candidate Ian Rankin was jailed for having in his possession video material containing some of the vilest kinds of child sexual abuse. Police say it was some of the worst paedophile material they had ever come across.


Maybe this is why the Labour party have a growing support? After all they can not be accused of having a coherent policy, (good or bad).
Let's face it society is becoming increasingly vile and whatever the cause may be it can only lead to the eventual breakdown of that which most hold dear.


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post Jun 12 2018, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2018, 04:55 PM) *
Maybe this is why the Labour party have a growing support? After all they can not be accused of having a coherent policy, (good or bad).
Let's face it society is becoming increasingly vile and whatever the cause may be it can only lead to the eventual breakdown of that which most hold dear.


Yes, a sad indictment on today's society. Of course, the bigger the following, the bigger the list. Worth looking at the leaders though, LibDems have even suffered a soap! Nonetheless, I don't think any major party has had significant leaders gaoled for violent affray. Frankly, it's high time we demanded far more from our 'leaders' all of them.


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post Jun 12 2018, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2018, 04:55 PM) *
Maybe this is why the Labour party have a growing support? After all they can not be accused of having a coherent policy, (good or bad).
Let's face it society is becoming increasingly vile and whatever the cause may be it can only lead to the eventual breakdown of that which most hold dear.

Are there any Labour voters on here now Simon's gone?
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post Jun 12 2018, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 12 2018, 06:28 PM) *
Are there any Labour voters on here now Simon's gone?


Would anyone admit to being a labour supporter? Thought not.


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post Jun 12 2018, 08:50 PM
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If there was an election tomorrow, I'm not sure I'd give my vote to Richard B, now he seems to be under Nick Soames influence, I couldn't bring myself to vote LibDem, which (unless there is a realistic independent) leaves Labour; internal squabbles apart, they appear to have some decent policy ideas. These were tested by BBC's Gyles Brandreth in a vox pop asking true blue Guildford voters what they thought of some of them - with positive results. So, right now, I can see myself voting Labour.


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post Jun 13 2018, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 12 2018, 09:07 PM) *
Would anyone admit to being a labour supporter? Thought not.

Yes. I would admit to it. And I like much of what JC stands for. I agree with pretty much everything on foreign policy, but living here I wouldn’t vote Labour.
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post Jun 13 2018, 06:49 AM
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I couldn’t vote for a prospective cabinet which includes Abbott and McDonnell.
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post Jun 13 2018, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 13 2018, 07:49 AM) *
I couldn’t vote for a prospective cabinet which includes Abbott and McDonnell.


Yes, the camp followers are a problem all round really. I suspect I would simply spoil my ballot paper. With the Tories you get the likes of Soames and Johnson. And a LibDem coalition wouldn't improve matters; look what happened last time, most of their unknown offerings simply collapsed. Not quite sure how we get people with integrity and intelligence to stand, let alone lead. Let's face it, UKIP made a valiant effort, but has now all but collapsed.


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post Jun 13 2018, 10:27 AM
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I'd vote Labour in a flash, in fact I have done twice in recent times. And once for the greens at the locals. I work in Manchester so voted up here in my weekday address which is a different demograph of people.

If we didn't have religion we wouldn't have half these problems, I was told by a Tommy Supporter the other day that you "don't hear of paedophilia in the C of E, or catholic church do you?"

So as much as I am a fairly liberal, left leaning individual, I am totally against Islam. But I am also against all churches and religions, and group that associates with them. Governmental, or otherwise. Seperate church and state, make religions pay tax and stop the undue influence they have and all this goes away.

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post Jun 14 2018, 06:18 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 13 2018, 11:27 AM) *
I'd vote Labour in a flash, in fact I have done twice in recent times. And once for the greens at the locals. I work in Manchester so voted up here in my weekday address which is a different demograph of people.

If we didn't have religion we wouldn't have half these problems, I was told by a Tommy Supporter the other day that you "don't hear of paedophilia in the C of E, or catholic church do you?"

So as much as I am a fairly liberal, left leaning individual, I am totally against Islam. But I am also against all churches and religions, and group that associates with them. Governmental, or otherwise. Seperate church and state, make religions pay tax and stop the undue influence they have and all this goes away.


Thought provoking response - I'd forgotten the Greens, who on the face of it have some pretty good ideas. The religious bit is interesting, as we know, paedophilia / sexual abuse was (is?) rampant in many organisations, not just the church. The BBC, Council Homes, Junior Football clubs, Schools large and small etc, etc, etc. - arguably the common thread (obvious when you think about it) anywhere the victims are and the perpetrator has access, From my perspective, to use this crime as the reason for disestablishment is too far a leap, separation of church and state has its own argument and indeed a good few church goers would wholly agree and ironically believe that the existing set up is actually damaging to their beliefs. I wholly agree that there should be no special privilege in taxation, then I believe that should apply to all, public schools, charities, population segments too, However, there are several examples of secular states; that is, where all religion is suppressed. The Soviet regime, the German Reich, the Chinese communism. and today, North Korea. All of which have pretty disgusting records which match and in many cases exceed the abuses perpetrated by non secular states.


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post Jun 14 2018, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 13 2018, 11:27 AM) *
I'd vote Labour in a flash, in fact I have done twice in recent times. And once for the greens at the locals. I work in Manchester so voted up here in my weekday address which is a different demograph of people.

If we didn't have religion we wouldn't have half these problems, I was told by a Tommy Supporter the other day that you "don't hear of paedophilia in the C of E, or catholic church do you?"

So as much as I am a fairly liberal, left leaning individual, I am totally against Islam. But I am also against all churches and religions, and group that associates with them. Governmental, or otherwise. Seperate church and state, make religions pay tax and stop the undue influence they have and all this goes away.

Your Tommy supporter is like so many Tommy supporters - a MORON! No paedophilia in the Catholic church?!
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 6 2018, 03:28 PM) *
I havent read a lot of posts on here but at the point Tommy Robinson was arrested, the defendants hadn't been charged. Therefore they are not rapists, groomers or anything else, they are citizens just like the rest of us. That is the very crux of the issue really, because that seperates Robinson from other journalists and sums up why he isn't just doing the same as the others.



We don't live in a republic therefore we cannot be citizens; we are subjects of the Monarch.
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2018, 01:34 PM) *
Your Tommy supporter is like so many Tommy supporters - a MORON! No paedophilia in the Catholic church?!


I would imagine he was speaking with a bucket load of irony. We are all aware that the christian church is now facing it's responsibilities in rooting out those who digress, albeit 2,000 years to late, but I have yet to hear one of the mad mullahs step forward in condemnation of those members of their flock that commit such heinous crimes, ( not that I listen that much ). I see no evidence to suggest that those with a religious agenda are any more prone to perversion than secular members of society but the tooth fairy does offer a haven for the peodophile to operate from.
My larger concern is that those who are caught and "punished" by the judicial system will be allowed to mix with their kind in prison and will commit even worse crimes on release, ( if that is possible ). Forgetting about their country of birth why can't we just deport them as not acceptable in the UK?



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GOTCHA!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/ju...-sexual-assault

Lets just hope that they are as we speak being introduced to Mr broken mop handle in the showers.
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We don't live in a republic therefore we cannot be citizens; we are subjects of the Monarch.

We're all citizens of the EU!
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