Internment Should Be Seriously Considered. Options

[x2lls]

We are in a state of war. Not the usual battalion against battalion, but war nonetheless.

Met Officer

[Simon Kirby]

We are in a state of war. Not the usual battalion against battalion, but war nonetheless.

Met Officer

Internment without trial sounds rather dangerous - if there is criminality then by all means prosecute it, but once we start locking up people because we don't like their views on mayors or allotments or whatever then we're no longer a free society.

[gel]

Was done in previous wars and we have to accept that there are substantial numbers of these
budding martyrs in our midst; if the Security services have sound suspicions by all means intern
them & their supporters.
Far easier to interrogate if they are locked up than having to waste teams of 20 MI5 etc
staff having to tail each one.
We should have no qualms in view of their recent violent history and the fact that a significant
% of that section of population are cheer leaders for such activities.
Deportation if there's any suspicions proved, where an immigrants involved.

All this talk of community cohesion cuts no ice with me, as one section of the community
have absolutely zero interest in integrating in our over tolerant society.
Strange how those leaving these highly intolerant regimes always head for countries like us.

All of us are inconvenienced to a greater or lesser degree every day because of the
security restrictions we have had to get used to, going back to the days when Palestinians
were hijacking/ blowing up planes.

[x2lls]

Internment without trial sounds rather dangerous - if there is criminality then by all means prosecute it, but once we start locking up people because we don't like their views on mayors or allotments or whatever then we're no longer a free society.

But it is not about others views on mayors and allotments is it?
It is about those who kill and maim on behalf of an ideology that is determined to undermine and eventually take over.

Tell me please, how would you deal with the current situation if you had the power to do so?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Was done in previous wars and we have to accept that there are substantial numbers of these
budding martyrs in our midst; if the Security services have sound suspicions by all means intern
them & their supporters.
Far easier to interrogate if they are locked up than having to waste teams of 20 MI5 etc
staff having to tail each one.
We should have no qualms in view of their recent violent history and the fact that a significant
% of that section of population are cheer leaders for such activities.
Deportation if there's any suspicions proved, where an immigrants involved.

All this talk of community cohesion cuts no ice with me, as one section of the community
have absolutely zero interest in integrating in our over tolerant society.
Strange how those leaving these highly intolerant regimes always head for countries like us.

All of us are inconvenienced to a greater or lesser degree every day because of the
security restrictions we have had to get used to, going back to the days when Palestinians
were hijacking/ blowing up planes.

Deport to where? Most of them are British....

[Simon Kirby]

But it is not about others views on mayors and allotments is it?

Not yet, but I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of interning someone for something they may or may not think when there isn't the evidence to convict them of an actual crime, and even if I didn't have compassion for those we were interning enlightened self-interest would tell me that the things I think might eventually follow on the banned list.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

I mean, clucking bell, I'm both a socialist and trades-unionist so my name's right at the top of the list.

I can't agree that internment is anything but a really unhelpful suggestion and I think you just have to treat all criminality the same - detect and prosecute in the short term and address any root cause injustice.

[x2lls]

Not yet, but I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of interning someone for something they may or may not think when there isn't the evidence to convict them of an actual crime, and even if I didn't have compassion for those we were interning enlightened self-interest would tell me that the things I think might eventually follow on the banned list.


I mean, clucking bell, I'm both a socialist and trades-unionist so my name's right at the top of the list.

I can't agree that internment is anything but a really unhelpful suggestion and I think you just have to treat all criminality the same - detect and prosecute in the short term and address any root cause injustice.

Simon, your argument doesn't make sense to me in regard to idealistic morons mowing down people with vehicles and suicide bombing kids.
There are many on the suspect list through intelligence, and time and time again, they have proven to be exactly what they were suspected of being. The threat is real. It is nothing to do with whether you are trade unionist or anything else that is legal for that matter. We are talking about an organised attack on our very way of life. From what I read in your statement you are saying we should wait until someone gets killed in the most horrific way before we take action. For me prevention is far better than cure. We, as a population expect and must be provided with protection by our government and the tools at it's disposal. There would not be any 'banned list'. This is a very specific issue that HAS to be addressed.

As an aside, where the usual commentators that occupy this forum that are so vocal on many other subjects?

[Andy Capp]

Internment didn't quell the PIRA, it seems that didn't happen until we managed to stem their funding.

[On the edge]

Internment as we've seen from past experience simply doesn't work. It creates martyrs and actually gives succour to those continuing to fight. Internment camps unless properly and expensively managed, become universities of terrorism. Yes, we are also defending to protect our national way of life and freedoms. Locking people up 'on suss' without due process isn't one of them, in fact quite the reverse.

[newres]

Internment is like national service. A favourite solution for those without intelligence.

[Biker1]

Internment is like national service. A favourite solution for those without intelligence.

It would appear that everyone who disagrees with you is "without intelligence"!

[je suis Charlie]

It would appear that everyone who disagrees with you is "without intelligence"!

As is always the way with the left, when bereft of argument simply substitute anger, bile and invective. The left are simply misguided, the right have to be stupid and evil. Its the basis of the lefts political ideology.

[On the edge]

As is always the way with the left, when bereft of argument simply substitute anger, bile and invective. The left are simply misguided, the right have to be stupid and evil. Its the basis of the lefts political ideology.

...was the right wing project fear, its bile and invective against Jeremy Corbyn, etc.etc. A 'different sort' of substitute anger? Do tell!

Subservience by force has always been the basis of the rights political ideology.



If the cap fits Je suis.....

[je suis Charlie]

...was the right wing project fear, its bile and invective against Jeremy Corbyn, etc.etc. A 'different sort' of substitute anger? Do tell!

Subservience by force has always been the basis of the rights political ideology.



If the cap fits Je suis.....

A lesson you have embraced whole heartedly 😥

[On the edge]

A lesson you have embraced whole heartedly 😥

Quite dear boy, when in Rome.

[je suis Charlie]

Quite dear boy, when in Rome.

Eat pasta?

[Simon Kirby]

As is always the way with the left, when bereft of argument simply substitute anger, bile and invective. The left are simply misguided, the right have to be stupid and evil. Its the basis of the lefts political ideology.

I've not called you stupid have I? For that matter have I called anyone here stupid? I try and address my comments to the argument, though you yourself have called me an idiot a couple of times and I was pretty offended by that. I don't think you can reasonably characterise the leftist position as inevitably ad hominem, I see quite as much weak rhetoric from all sides of the debate. I think we all get more from this if we try and remain civil.

[Simon Kirby]

Simon, your argument doesn't make sense to me in regard to idealistic morons mowing down people with vehicles and suicide bombing kids.
There are many on the suspect list through intelligence, and time and time again, they have proven to be exactly what they were suspected of being. The threat is real. It is nothing to do with whether you are trade unionist or anything else that is legal for that matter. We are talking about an organised attack on our very way of life. From what I read in your statement you are saying we should wait until someone gets killed in the most horrific way before we take action. For me prevention is far better than cure. We, as a population expect and must be provided with protection by our government and the tools at it's disposal. There would not be any 'banned list'. This is a very specific issue that HAS to be addressed.

As an aside, where the usual commentators that occupy this forum that are so vocal on many other subjects?

I think the essential difference between us is that I don't see the problem of Islamic fanaticism as a widespread attack on the UK. I'm trying to be open minded about it and I recognise that when a terrorist atrocity is a possibility at any public venue then it is obviously a significant threat, but it is my perception that the threat is coming from a small number of alienated or otherwise derranged whack-jobs and in a free society there is always going to be that marginal threat from douche-bags of one variety or another and you deal with it by keeping it in proportion. The IRA was the last time our security was similarly threatened and for a decade I was used to my vehicle being searched for car bombs by armed police, but life went on and peace eventually prevailed. I have no idea how peace will ever return to the middle east but I think we could improve the situation in the UK if we didn't keep whacking that particular hornets' nest with such an inprudently large stick.

[je suis Charlie]

Quote,
"Jeremy Corbyn’s excruciating appearance on Woman’s Hour has sparked uproar from his supporters who have accused interviewer Emma Barnett of being biased and even a “Zionist”.

Anti Semitism? Move along, nothing to see here.

[newres]

As is always the way with the left, when bereft of argument simply substitute anger, bile and invective. The left are simply misguided, the right have to be stupid and evil. Its the basis of the lefts political ideology.

Do you support internment then? Did it work with the IRA or did it just create more support and sympathy for the nationalist cause?

[je suis Charlie]

Do you support internment then? Did it work with the IRA or did it just create more support and sympathy for the nationalist cause?

No, I don't support internment, what I do support is a 'root and branch' approach to those who would cause death, maiming and fear to be wrought on our society. Softly softly go easy lest we offend someone will not work.

[newres]

No, I don't support internment, what I do support is a 'root and branch' approach to those who would cause death, maiming and fear to be wrought on our society. Softly softly go easy lest we offend someone will not work.

What would that involve? Explain what you mean.

[je suis Charlie]

What would that involve? Explain what you mean.

We need to be more pro active, we need to find not just the terrorists but their supporters and backers, we need better security checks on who's coming in and on those who are 'on the list' we need better intelligence, we need to get into the network and when we catch them we need to remove them from society.

[newres]

We need to be more pro active, we need to find not just the terrorists but their supporters and backers, we need better security checks on who's coming in and on those who are 'on the list' we need better intelligence, we need to get into the network and when we catch them we need to remove them from society.

Surely we already do all of that?

[je suis Charlie]

Surely we already do all of that?

Not enough. We also need to find a way of denying them anonymity on the web, how I don't know, we also need to give our security the ability to access emails and internet accounts. We need a shoot to kill policy. I know THAT will draw some vigorous response but, if you have someone who has turned himself into a bomb and who's only intent is to die and by so doing earn himself a place in paradise as a martyr in a jihad by taking as many people with him as possible then we're past the sitting down with a cuppa and a plate of hobnobs stage.

[Turin Machine]

A young woman brought her fiancé home to meet her parents. After dinner, her mother told her father to find out about the young man. The father invited the fiancé to his study for a talk.


"So what are your plans?" the father asked the young man.

"I am a political student" he replied.

"A political student, hmmm?" the father said. "Admirable, but what will you do to provide a nice house for my daughter to live in?"

"I will study," the young man replied, "and a labour government will provide for us."

"And how will you buy her a beautiful engagement ring, such as she deserves?" asked the father.

"I will concentrate on my studies," the young man replied, "a labour government will provide for us."

"And children?" asked the father. "How will you support children?"

"Don't worry, sir, a labour government will provide," replied the fiance.

The conversation proceeded like this, and each time the father questioned, the young idealist insisted that a labour government would provide.

Later, the mother asked, "How did it go, honey?"

The father answered, "He has no job and no plans, and he thinks I'm Jeremy Corbyn."

😂😂

[On the edge]

A young woman brought her fiancé home to meet her parents. After dinner, her mother told her father to find out about the young man. The father invited the fiancé to his study for a talk.


"So what are your plans?" the father asked the young man.

"I am a political student" he replied.

"A political student, hmmm?" the father said. "Admirable, but what will you do to provide a nice house for my daughter to live in?"

"I will study," the young man replied, "and a labour government will provide for us."

"And how will you buy her a beautiful engagement ring, such as she deserves?" asked the father.

"I will concentrate on my studies," the young man replied, "a labour government will provide for us."

"And children?" asked the father. "How will you support children?"

"Don't worry, sir, a labour government will provide," replied the fiance.

The conversation proceeded like this, and each time the father questioned, the young idealist insisted that a labour government would provide.

Later, the mother asked, "How did it go, honey?"

The father answered, "He has no job and no plans, and he thinks I'm Jeremy Corbyn."

����

Ach, of course, in the Tory version, Dad insists Jack the lad, joins his firm. No great hardship; even though he's not really qualified to do the job, the money is far better than anything he'd even dreamed about. Her Mums even more pleased and lets him have a family heirloom for the engagement ring. Sure, the wedding was a bit OTT, but he wasn't paying, so it didn't hurt much. His mates are pretty envious of the nice flat and will be even more so when Nan pops her clogs and they inherit that lot. The kid they had was no big issue, not once the au pair had learned the ropes. Work is great too, once they found out who he was, just a matter of sitting back and letting 'his people' get on with it.

Bless you, life IS better under the Tories; Jack's alright!

[newres]

Not enough. We also need to find a way of denying them anonymity on the web, how I don't know, we also need to give our security the ability to access emails and internet accounts. We need a shoot to kill policy. I know THAT will draw some vigorous response but, if you have someone who has turned himself into a bomb and who's only intent is to die and by so doing earn himself a place in paradise as a martyr in a jihad by taking as many people with him as possible then we're past the sitting down with a cuppa and a plate of hobnobs stage.

Not sure about anonymity on the web, but don't we already do all the rest? What about that Brazilian chap?

[je suis Charlie]

Ach, of course, in the Tory version, Dad insists Jack the lad, joins his firm. No great hardship; even though he's not really qualified to do the job, the money is far better than anything he'd even dreamed about. Her Mums even more pleased and lets him have a family heirloom for the engagement ring. Sure, the wedding was a bit OTT, but he wasn't paying, so it didn't hurt much. His mates are pretty envious of the nice flat and will be even more so when Nan pops her clogs and they inherit that lot. The kid they had was no big issue, not once the au pair had learned the ropes. Work is great too, once they found out who he was, just a matter of sitting back and letting 'his people' get on with it.

Bless you, life IS better under the Tories; Jack's alright!

And there's the proof, someone trying to lighten the mood and the labour attack dogs tries to take another bite.

[je suis Charlie]

Not sure about anonymity on the web, but don't we already do all the rest? What about that Brazilian chap?

We need to stop and check their Activities. If it means some loss of our civil liberties on a temporary basis then so be it.

[Simon Kirby]

We need to stop and check their Activities. If it means some loss of our civil liberties on a temporary basis then so be it.

Suspension of a right to privacy of correspondence, a shoot-to-kill policy, and suspension of the right to a fair trial - a triple whammy of human rights violations. That's a pretty fundamental violation of our civil liberties. Won't the medicine kill the patient?

[On the edge]

And there's the proof, someone trying to lighten the mood and the labour attack dogs tries to take another bite.

I know, it's getting a bit worrying isn't it! Jeremy was in Reading today, sooo exciting, they often have very good Labour MPs.

[je suis Charlie]

Suspension of a right to privacy of correspondence, a shoot-to-kill policy, and suspension of the right to a fair trial - a triple whammy of human rights violations. That's a pretty fundamental violation of our civil liberties. Won't the medicine kill the patient?

Nope, desperate times call for desperate measures, the right to snoop will be restricted to those 'thought' to be a security risk, we don't have the where with all to deal with the general population. Of it's stupid but it works it ain't really stupid.

[je suis Charlie]

I know, it's getting a bit worrying isn't it! Jeremy was in Reading today, sooo exciting, they often have very good Labour MPs.

Just sit down beside me Mr Edge, you can talk to me, didn't your Father pay you much attention? Is that it? If you talk about what's troubling you it can help you know.

[Turin Machine]

Ach, of course, in the Tory version, Dad insists Jack the lad, joins his firm. No great hardship; even though he's not really qualified to do the job, the money is far better than anything he'd even dreamed about. Her Mums even more pleased and lets him have a family heirloom for the engagement ring. Sure, the wedding was a bit OTT, but he wasn't paying, so it didn't hurt much. His mates are pretty envious of the nice flat and will be even more so when Nan pops her clogs and they inherit that lot. The kid they had was no big issue, not once the au pair had learned the ropes. Work is great too, once they found out who he was, just a matter of sitting back and letting 'his people' get on with it.

Bless you, life IS better under the Tories; Jack's alright!

That's where I've been going wrong! Bless you OTE, here was me going to college, then night school while I worked in a factory, then applying for countless jobs untill I got a job in a window company, then working several jobs while I got more qualifications, then working my way up through various sales jobs, often putting in twelve or fourteen hours a day. When all I had to do was have a rich daddy with his own company (which presumably he got through his father). BOY! Do I feel foolish! All that work for nothing! OTE? You're a genius.

[newres]

Nope, desperate times call for desperate measures, the right to snoop will be restricted to those 'thought' to be a security risk, we don't have the where with all to deal with the general population. Of it's stupid but it works it ain't really stupid.

Do you not think you're getting things out of perspective? According to the BBC the Manchester guy bought all the bits himself. Although there may be hundreds of thousands of Muslims that feel the UK should not be invading Muslim countries, the number of terrorists appears to be minuscule don't you think? Should we really have internment and the loss of civil rights for so few people?

[je suis Charlie]

Do you not think you're getting things out of perspective? According to the BBC the Manchester guy bought all the bits himself. Although there may be hundreds of thousands of Muslims that feel the UK should not be invading Muslim countries, the number of terrorists appears to be minuscule don't you think? Should we really have internment and the loss of civil rights for so few people?

Tell that to the families of the Manchester / Paris atrocities. It's desperate measures for desperate times. They have declared war against all who will not how to their perverse form of radical Islam. Tell it to the victims families in Basra today. Sooner or later you have to do something. You seem to want to stop all action in the middle East, open our borders to all and not to be inconvenienced​ at home. It's never worked before and it won't work now. Sorry. 😥

[je suis Charlie]

That's where I've been going wrong! Bless you OTE, here was me going to college, then night school while I worked in a factory, then applying for countless jobs untill I got a job in a window company, then working several jobs while I got more qualifications, then working my way up through various sales jobs, often putting in twelve or fourteen hours a day. When all I had to do was have a rich daddy with his own company (which presumably he got through his father). BOY! Do I feel foolish! All that work for nothing! OTE? You're a genius.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

That's where I've been going wrong! Bless you OTE, here was me going to college, then night school while I worked in a factory, then applying for countless jobs untill I got a job in a window company, then working several jobs while I got more qualifications, then working my way up through various sales jobs, often putting in twelve or fourteen hours a day. When all I had to do was have a rich daddy with his own company (which presumably he got through his father). BOY! Do I feel foolish! All that work for nothing! OTE? You're a genius.

And JC will take it all off you... A Socialists wet dream.

He'll have to in oder to fufill his fantasies.
You may as well sell up and leave the Country if gets in.. And sharpish.

[On the edge]

That's where I've been going wrong! Bless you OTE, here was me going to college, then night school while I worked in a factory, then applying for countless jobs untill I got a job in a window company, then working several jobs while I got more qualifications, then working my way up through various sales jobs, often putting in twelve or fourteen hours a day. When all I had to do was have a rich daddy with his own company (which presumably he got through his father). BOY! Do I feel foolish! All that work for nothing! OTE? You're a genius.

Hit a raw nerve have I Turin Machine; sorry. You've obviously worked very, very hard indeed and of course deserve what good things you have accumulated for the time you have left. Your choice of course.

You might have noticed there are some, in reality not too many, but a good few nonetheless who haven't the health or the skill or indeed the chance to have done what you've managed. They don't want the same, simply a reasonable existence, that's not too much to ask is it?

[On the edge]

Just sit down beside me Mr Edge, you can talk to me, didn't your Father pay you much attention? Is that it? If you talk about what's troubling you it can help you know.

Ah, the May tide is turning as history demonstrates it was bound to. Nothing troubling me at all, in fact I think it's all quite funny! If only Michael Foot was alive, he'd have loved it.

[Andy Capp]

I see the strong and stable coward bottled the debate tonight.

[On the edge]

And JC will take it all off you... A Socialists wet dream.

He'll have to in oder to fufill his fantasies.
You may as well sell up and leave the Country if gets in.. And sharpish.

Actually, that might be the most realistic solution for some. Spain is apparently pretty good and there is a big expat community so language not a big issue. Makes a lot of sense, house prices here are high but low in Spain right now, so you'd be quids in. It also helps our population issue too.

Good solution.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Actually, that might be the most realistic solution for some. Spain is apparently pretty good and there is a big expat community so language not a big issue. Makes a lot of sense, house prices here are high but low in Spain right now, so you'd be quids in. It also helps our population issue too.

Good solution.

I have "contingency" plans. A large percentage of high earners will leave. And the middle will pay. Unemployment will sky rocket, the pound will crash, and strikes will be rampant.

But hey its all good. JC's inda house featuring Abbott and Thornberry.😂

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I see the strong and stable coward bottled the debate tonight.

Or you could say Corbyn thought he could score a cheap victory after changing his mind at the last minute that he would appear. Loved the lefty hand picked BBC audience.

But hey if I was a student and thought Id get paid to attend University, get a degree, have a great time and leave with no debt I'd be voting for him.

[On the edge]

Or you could say Corbyn thought he could score a cheap victory after changing his mind at the last minute that he would appear. Loved the lefty hand picked BBC audience.

But hey if I was a student and thought Id get paid to attend University, get a degree, have a great time and leave with no debt I'd be voting for him.

What, like the generation who did get a free University education and the pollsters claim
voted for Brexit? Perhaps a better reason might have been that Righty invitees all had to cry off because they couldn't spare the time from work.

[Simon Kirby]

I see the strong and stable coward bottled the debate tonight.

She's looking quite weak and wobbly isn't she.

[On the edge]

I have "contingency" plans. A large percentage of high earners will leave. And the middle will pay. Unemployment will sky rocket, the pound will crash, and strikes will be rampant.

But hey its all good. JC's inda house featuring Abbott and Thornberry.😂

There are some 'high earners' many would hold the door open for, Philip Green, Fred Goodwin to name but two. As we so well know the value of someone's wage is no indicator of their productive worth to the Country. So it's no real threat to the State.

Unemployment under Mrs Thatcher wasn't anything to boast about, Mr Major wasn't particularly good with the pound and Mr Cameron's handling of crippling rail strikes has been pretty abysmal. The classic 'anti Labour' jibes just don't wash anymore.

Will be interesting to see where everyone goes. Spain is being predicted as the next Greece so Europe doesn't look too inviting. The States have shut their doors tighter under the Donald and Australia isn't too good for immigrants. Canada might be worth a look.

[Turin Machine]

Heart breaker

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-45...sthumously.html

[Turin Machine]

She's looking quite weak and wobbly isn't she.

Nope. clever little ambush, bit snide but people can see through this chicanery.

[Turin Machine]

What, like the generation who did get a free University education and the pollsters claim
voted for Brexit? Perhaps a better reason might have been that Righty invitees all had to cry off because they couldn't spare the time from work.

Should vote Lib dem then, they promised no fees. Oh wait.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

There are some 'high earners' many would hold the door open for, Philip Green, Fred Goodwin to name but two. As we so well know the value of someone's wage is no indicator of their productive worth to the Country. So it's no real threat to the State.

Unemployment under Mrs Thatcher wasn't anything to boast about, Mr Major wasn't particularly good with the pound and Mr Cameron's handling of crippling rail strikes has been pretty abysmal. The classic 'anti Labour' jibes just don't wash anymore.

Will be interesting to see where everyone goes. Spain is being predicted as the next Greece so Europe doesn't look too inviting. The States have shut their doors tighter under the Donald and Australia isn't too good for immigrants. Canada might be worth a look.

Troudeau. Yep. And they dont tend to fight wars. Though I found it a bit cold in Bannff the other year. You are an enigma Mr Edge. You know Corbyn would be a disaster. Just a different kind. 😂 Brexit will pale into insignificance. I think the Company I work for would deffo relocate.

[Andy Capp]

Nope. clever little ambush, bit snide but people can see through this chicanery.

A strong leader who wants people to trust them shouldn't run scared and that is what our chicken PM has done and is doing.

[Andy Capp]

Troudeau. Yep. And they dont tend to fight wars. Though I found it a bit cold in Bannff the other year. You are an enigma Mr Edge. You know Corbyn would be a disaster. Just a different kind. 😂 Brexit will pale into insignificance. I think the Company I work for would deffo relocate.

I fear our company is preparing for that ever since our government tried to heal itself with a referendum. You don't need a left winger to ruin the country; the monster raving timids are doing that already.

[Turin Machine]

A strong leader who wants people to trust them shouldn't run scared and that is what our chicken PM has done and is doing.

As she says, she faces JC every day in the commons, rather her than some Trotsky, terrorist befriending, anti semitic loon.

[Turin Machine]

I fear our company is preparing for that ever since our government tried to to heal itself with a referendum. You don't need a left winger to ruin the country; the monster raving timids are doing that already.

No, but it sure helps.

[Andy Capp]

As she says, she faces JC every day in the commons, rather her than some Trotsky, terrorist befriending, anti semitic loon.

You'd think she would therefore be well prepared for him, than to run scared. The fact we are facing Brexit is because of political cowardice: party before country!

[je suis Charlie]

You'd think she would therefore be well prepared for him, than to run scared. The fact we are facing Brexit is because of political cowardice: party before country!

We're facing Brexit because the population wanted a referendum. He only decided to announce he was going tonight halfway through today! So he's been planning and practising for weeks. Its smoke and mirrors.

And as for my lack of IQ, as an ex director, sitting in a five bed detached mortgage free house with a third of an acre and a new range rover in the drive I have to ask if either of you have done better?

[newres]

We're facing Brexit because the population wanted a referendum. He only decided to announce he was going tonight halfway through today! So he's been planning and practising for weeks. Its smoke and mirrors.

And as for my lack of IQ, as an ex director, sitting in a five bed detached mortgage free house with a third of an acre and a new range rover in the drive I have to ask if either of you have done better?

IQ is a measure of intelligence old chap, not wealth.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

You'd think she would therefore be well prepared for him, than to run scared. The fact we are facing Brexit is because of political cowardice: party before country!

But JC wasn't going to the debate either... No mention of hs U turn from the trotskies. Political cowardice? Allowing the people to decide? Stupid people!

[Turin Machine]

IQ is a measure of intelligence old chap, not wealth.

In my view, its difficult to get one without 'tother lad.

[newres]

In my view, its difficult to get one without 'tother lad.

Not sure about that. Wayne Rooney? I'd be interested to know what Trump's IQ is.

[Turin Machine]

Liar, liar, pants on fire!!

Not even had the election and he's already at it!!

"Jeremy Corbyn has refused to rule out forming a coalition Government with the SNP and the Liberal Democrats if voters return a hung parliament later this month. "

One of Mr Corbyn's closest allies Emily Thornberry also refused to rule out a Labour coalition with the SNP, saying: "I'm not dealing with hypotheticals".

This after,
"The Labour Party has not responded to a request for comment from The Independent, but it has consistently maintained that it will do “no deals” with other parties." And here,

"But Mr Corbyn has unequivocally ruled out a coalition deal with Nicola Sturgeon’s SNP."

And of course our old friends the lib Dems said,

"Tim Farron also said in April that he will do “no deal, no deal with anybody” under any circumstances."

But of course we know they're the political 'whores' of old, they'll slip between the sheets with anybody at Westminster, so I don't expect them to live up to that pledge. Still Jeremy, man of your word? Or simply another lying politician? I suspect the latter despite his apparent canonisation on this forum. 😁

[Turin Machine]

Not sure about that. Wayne Rooney? I'd be interested to know what Trump's IQ is.

Naw, Donald is a sweet boy, just misunderstood! ��

[je suis Charlie]

IQ is a measure of intelligence old chap, not wealth.

Quite right old bean! Sorry about that, late, tired, sort of thing. Bad form to boast, father taught me to be better than that. Anyhow, long day ahead, off down to Exeter now to do a couple of days consultancy, memsahib wants a new polo pony (or similar) got to help another Tory boy grind some more workers into the dust while quaffing champers from a crystal goblet and lighting a Cuban with another twenty. toodle pip!

[Andy Capp]

But JC wasn't going to the debate either... No mention of hs U turn from the trotskies.

At least Corbyn still went.

[Andy Capp]

But of course we know they're the political 'whores' of old, they'll slip between the sheets with anybody at Westminster, so I don't expect them to live up to that pledge. Still Jeremy, man of your word? Or simply another lying politician? I suspect the latter despite his apparent canonisation on this forum. 😁

JC is full of shoite too; however, 'strong and stable' is anything but.

[Turin Machine]

At least Corbyn still went.

Of course he went, it was a stunt. Still, I expect you know that already. 😎

[On the edge]

Quite right old bean! Sorry about that, late, tired, sort of thing. Bad form to boast, father taught me to be better than that. Anyhow, long day ahead, off down to Exeter now to do a couple of days consultancy, memsahib wants a new polo pony (or similar) got to help another Tory boy grind some more workers into the dust while quaffing champers from a crystal goblet and lighting a Cuban with another twenty. toodle pip!

Oh Je suis, you are a one! So it all came from Dad then. Phew, for a ghastly minute, I had you down for one of the Tories who had to buy their own furniture.

[On the edge]

In my view, its difficult to get one without 'tother lad.

So hasn't life been good to you then?

[On the edge]

Troudeau. Yep. And they dont tend to fight wars. Though I found it a bit cold in Bannff the other year. You are an enigma Mr Edge. You know Corbyn would be a disaster. Just a different kind. �� Brexit will pale into insignificance. I think the Company I work for would deffo relocate.

I voted for Brexit simply because the alternative was staying with an unreformed, out of control, totalitarian Franco / German dominated leech that was sucking us dry and deliberately levelling us to the standards of one of its vassal states. There was some immediate palliatives, but the outlook was fixed, bleak and irreversable.

I also firmly believe that Brexit will cause us some pain, in fact, to be honest, some great pain, initially. However, if we bear that, there is every chance we can create a new and much better future for ourselves. Necessarily, we'll be part of a World market and not constrained by protectionist Europe. The future could be very bright, it could be bleak, but it can at least be changed because it's in our hands.

So, who best to deliver. There is hardly any point in looking for new leaders, there aren't any. For me, the right wing market forces unconstrained capitalist approach hasn't worked and is now part of the problem not the solution. It's only salvation was 'microwave politics' where it's ways are sold like soap powder. The base Tory agenda hasn't changed.

So, look at what Labour says it proposes; which whilst it may hurt short term makes much more sense to take us onwards safely. Jeremy Corbyn, he is just the leader and recognises that. A leader actually listens to other people and tries to deliver their collective vision, not her, or his own.

So, I foresee that under whoever you vote for, it's going to be painful, but there is rather more of a chance that under Labour, the pain will eventually end.

[Turin Machine]

Oh Je suis, you are a one! So it all came from Dad then. Phew, for a ghastly minute, I had you down for one of the Tories who had to buy their own furniture.

Now, here's the thing, having read JSC,s post, nowhere, at all, did I read any mention of 'Dad' having given him anything at all! So, out of pure interest, where and how did you extrapolate that..? Mischief? Or simply demonstrating a rather twisted and somewhat hateful view of anyone with money.?

[Andy Capp]

Now, here's the thing, having read JSC,s post, nowhere, at all, did I read any mention of 'Dad' having given him anything at all! So, out of pure interest, where and how did you extrapolate that..? Mischief? Or simply demonstrating a rather twisted and somewhat hateful view of anyone with money.?

I doubt perceived wealth would be the reason he would loath JSC.

[Turin Machine]

So hasn't life been good to you then?

Life, has been excellent! Thanks for asking.

[Simon Kirby]

Liar, liar, pants on fire!!

Not even had the election and he's already at it!!

"Jeremy Corbyn has refused to rule out forming a coalition Government with the SNP and the Liberal Democrats if voters return a hung parliament later this month. "

One of Mr Corbyn's closest allies Emily Thornberry also refused to rule out a Labour coalition with the SNP, saying: "I'm not dealing with hypotheticals".

This after,
"The Labour Party has not responded to a request for comment from The Independent, but it has consistently maintained that it will do “no deals” with other parties." And here,

"But Mr Corbyn has unequivocally ruled out a coalition deal with Nicola Sturgeon’s SNP."

And of course our old friends the lib Dems said,

"Tim Farron also said in April that he will do “no deal, no deal with anybody” under any circumstances."

But of course we know they're the political 'whores' of old, they'll slip between the sheets with anybody at Westminster, so I don't expect them to live up to that pledge. Still Jeremy, man of your word? Or simply another lying politician? I suspect the latter despite his apparent canonisation on this forum. 😁

If Labour and the SNP could form a majority coalition government I'd not only like that but I'd argue that both parties should feel an obligation to work together. I felt last time round that with such overwhelming support for the SNP in Scotland that it was unjust that they should have no role in the government of the UK. Obviously the SNP are not politically aligned with the Conservatives and they're not as inclined as the Liberals to prostitute their values for a sniff of power, but Labour and the SNP have a fair bit in common (aside from the question of Scottish independence on which I believe Labour are wrong) so a Labour-SNP coalition would be a great result from where I'm sitting.

[Turin Machine]

If Labour and the SNP could form a majority coalition government I'd not only like that but I'd argue that both parties should feel an obligation to work together. I felt last time round that with such overwhelming support for the SNP in Scotland that it was unjust that they should have no role in the government of the UK. Obviously the SNP are not politically aligned with the Conservatives and they're not as inclined as the Liberals to prostitute their values for a sniff of power, but Labour and the SNP have a fair bit in common (aside from the question of Scottish independence on which I believe Labour are wrong) so a Labour-SNP coalition would be a great result from where I'm sitting.

So even though he ruled it out unequivocally, it's ok to to go ahead and do it? I know it's politics and I already know your answer, I just get frustrated that's he's already gone back on what he said and I believe it reinforces my view he can't be trusted. With anything.

[newres]

So even though he ruled it out unequivocally, it's ok to to go ahead and do it? I know it's politics and I already know your answer, I just get frustrated that's he's already gone back on what he said and I believe it reinforces my view he can't be trusted. With anything.

Er... TM, Brexit?? Amber Rudd?? How can they bang the drum for something they don't believe in? Whatever the people voted, have the no principles?

It's normal for parties to rule out a coalition. Doubtless TM would do the same.

[On the edge]

Now, here's the thing, having read JSC,s post, nowhere, at all, did I read any mention of 'Dad' having given him anything at all! So, out of pure interest, where and how did you extrapolate that..? Mischief? Or simply demonstrating a rather twisted and somewhat hateful view of anyone with money.?

Quite simple really, read all the rest of the posts between him and me and you'll see. JSC is well adept at doing exactly the same.

As for my views on money, for me it's not a driver, the accumulation of great wealth has no attraction for me at all. So, if I meet people, I'm far more interested in their views and what they actually do to help our society. Put it this way, I was a first report to a rather insecure director once, who grew rather frustrated with me 'you are the only one of my team that doesn't want my job and only does what you and not me says is right'. Quite happy with that, frankly.

[On the edge]

So even though he ruled it out unequivocally, it's ok to to go ahead and do it? I know it's politics and I already know your answer, I just get frustrated that's he's already gone back on what he said and I believe it reinforces my view he can't be trusted. With anything.

So that rules out voting for Mrs May then, or indeed the LibDems. In Newbury, fortunatley you have two choices left.

[newres]

So even though he ruled it out unequivocally, it's ok to to go ahead and do it? I know it's politics and I already know your answer, I just get frustrated that's he's already gone back on what he said and I believe it reinforces my view he can't be trusted. With anything.

Hard to disagree with this:

"Only a year ago, Theresa May declared that being in the EU makes us more secure, more prosperous, more influential.

The relentlessly upbeat assessment of Brexit in her speech today is a U-turn of epic proportions.

It is also dangerous, because it is calculated to distract attention from the shark-infested waters which we are now entering, and the fact that Theresa May herself has steered us towards them.

What comes next is not the sunny picture described in this delusional speech.

Negotiating Brexit will be task of monumental proportions which - even if handled expertly - will do great damage to our prosperity, the state of our public services and Britain’s place in the world."

[Turin Machine]

This has just come in on the wire,

"Labour has ruled out pacts and coalitions if the party needs to run a minority government after next week’s general election.

As the opinion polls show a further narrowing of the Conservatives’ lead over the party, Jeremy Corbyn and the shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, said there would be no negotiations or deals over policy with the Liberal Democrats and the Greens if Labour is the biggest party but without an overall majority.

Their interventions were delivered a week before the general election at a rally in Basildon, Essex, and will be seen as a way of combating Conservative claims that a vote for Labour and other parties would lead to a “coalition of chaos”.

Asked if he would consider negotiating with other parties if there was a hung parliament, Corbyn said: “We are not doing deals, we are not doing coalitions, we are not doing any of these things. We are fighting to win this election.”

I have to say, if he keeps his word on this he will go a long way in gaining my respect. If.

[Andy Capp]

“We are not doing deals, we are not doing coalitions, we are not doing any of these things. We are fighting to win this election.” doesn't mean: "we won't".

[newres]

“We are not doing deals, we are not doing coalitions, we are not doing any of these things. We are fighting to win this election.” doesn't mean: "we won't".

Agreed.

[Biker1]

I have to say, if he keeps his word on this he will go a long way in gaining my respect. If.

This is a politician we are talking about, yes?

[Berkshirelad]

Deport to where? Most of them are British....

There's an island just near Skye called Gruinard that would fit the bill perfectly.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

There's an island just near Skye called Gruinard that would fit the bill perfectly.

Until we get away from the EU courts we won't be able to do a darn thing. Wot no Europenan Human Rights appeal? Oh dear....

[TallDarkAndHands...]

This has just come in on the wire,

"Labour has ruled out pacts and coalitions if the party needs to run a minority government after next week’s general election.

As the opinion polls show a further narrowing of the Conservatives’ lead over the party, Jeremy Corbyn and the shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, said there would be no negotiations or deals over policy with the Liberal Democrats and the Greens if Labour is the biggest party but without an overall majority.

Their interventions were delivered a week before the general election at a rally in Basildon, Essex, and will be seen as a way of combating Conservative claims that a vote for Labour and other parties would lead to a “coalition of chaos”.

Asked if he would consider negotiating with other parties if there was a hung parliament, Corbyn said: “We are not doing deals, we are not doing coalitions, we are not doing any of these things. We are fighting to win this election.”

I have to say, if he keeps his word on this he will go a long way in gaining my respect. If.

100% guaranteed he would not. He and Sturgeon. OH MY GOD. With Abbott as Home Secretary. Its like a game of Top Trumps.. We do Brexit... The Yanks do Trump then we outbid them with Corbyn Sturgeon and Abbott! 😂

[Turin Machine]

Diane Abbott. 😵😵😵

[x2lls]

OK, I'll change my OP. Who do you want to win GE?

[On the edge]

OK, I'll change my OP. Who do you want to win GE?

Anyone who will consider realistic alternatives to internment?

[Turin Machine]

Anyone who will consider realistic alternatives to internment?

Coal mines? Anthrax island?

[Andy Capp]

OK, I'll change my OP. Who do you want to win GE?

No-one.

[Turin Machine]

WIF. (Women's institute fundamentalists)

Apparently the manifesto includes cut price jam and a free wooly sweater for everyone.

[On the edge]

WIF. (Women's institute fundamentalists)

Apparently the manifesto includes cut price jam and a free wooly sweater for everyone.

Oh yes please. Look, it's not going to be all hair shirts and knitted yoghort. Everyone will be issued with a free 'disablement trolly' so we'll have some fun racing those about in Northbrook Street.

[Turin Machine]

Oh yes please. Look, it's not going to be all hair shirts and knitted yoghort. Everyone will be issued with a free 'disablement trolly' so we'll have some fun racing those about in Northbrook Street.

Wahay! Can I have mine in either trot red, or surrender white. 😂

[On the edge]

Wahay! Can I have mine in either trot red, or surrender white. 😂

By all means and go faster stripes if you want, remember you ain't paying!!!

[Turin Machine]

Well, it's already started. Check the TV listings for next Friday.

10.00am. The Talitubbies
10.30 am. Bhuffi the infidel slayer.

[x2lls]

WIF. (Women's institute fundamentalists)

Apparently the manifesto includes cut price jam and a free wooly sweater for everyone.

But you will only wear it the summer.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

But you will only wear it the summer.

Its also Independence day for Gibraltar and the Falklands next Friday. Better get learning Spanish guys and gals.

[je suis Charlie]

Its also Independence day for Gibraltar and the Falklands next Friday. Better get learning Spanish guys and gals.

Yeah cos the coward won't help you. When asked about defense he said "de man with de hammer's coming round in de morning."