That's all very well, but you said that UKIP were demonized by the media as racist - so are they racist?

I don't believe so. If your "personal" view is that the country is full is "racist" then we live in a sad world.
I'm only talking from my experience over the years in seeing deteriorating services due to mass population increase.
And yes - the Labour Party have to take a lot of the blame but the Con/Lib pact have not exactly covered themselves in glory.

If you mean by "patriotic" that militaristic willy-waving we have at times gone in for then no, I'm not "patriotic" and I think the UK should satisfy itself with securing its own national borders and leaving other nations to do the same. But I too am proud of my country - and I'm fed up with the far-right co-opting my national heritage to construct some faux narrative in support of their intolerance.


Yes, on this I agree 100%. But where is UKIP locally? Allotment self-management, tax-money to support the charter market, £100k to run a ceremonial mayor - shall I go on? I think your party is as full of humbug as all the rest.


No it doesn't, it just reins-in the gratuitously offensive from making unnecessarily hurtful comments - it's only actually a problem for the pathologically hateful.

At least you can make a judgement based on a mission statement. Most of the other parties mission statement is to avoid answering any question.
I appreciate your point of view though Simon. I just wished that more people would involve themselves in a good old fashioned frank discussion on these issues.

Simple one word answer - Yes.

Same question to you...do you believe they're racist?

Care to explain? Can you provide the evidence for your view or is it based on your observations of what you have picked up from the media?

For example, I now believe the LibDems are unprincipled and interested only in power forbids own sake. Why? Because what they say in their constitution isn't apparent in their actions; locally (their behaviour on NTC) or nationally (i.e. Tuition fees).

The real racists are the main parties who think that immigration is OK for doing menial low paid jobs that we don't want to do. How bad is that?

I've already answered that!

Skilled immigrants are welcome too, notwithstanding menial jobs are done by everyone.

Officially no.

That was kindly said TDH and I appreciate your comment. Thank you.

Marvellous. Thank you. You've caused a fair bit of mirth and gave up a new title.
In future they shall be known as "UKIP - The party who aren't officially racist".

Nice.

I have no affinity with UKIP, so it is not in my gift to entitle anything and they are certainly not my preferred party, although it is possible I might vote for them for tactical reasons. I use the term 'officially', because that is demonstrably true; however, do UKIP have racist members? I suspect so, but that wouldn't make them a racist party.

Perhaps you might describe what a 'racist party' is? In my view the word has been abused and misused to a point where I feel it's meaning has changed.

It is sad that in a democracy if one is opposed to things like the EU, one has to vote for parties that are considered by some to be racist.

Well, perhaps a better way would be for the party to describe itself.
Alan Sked, the founder of the party ( ran it for nearly four years ) said that "they are racist and have been infected by the far-right." He also went on record as saying, "UKIP is even less liberal than the British National Party".
Having been on the inside, created the party, watched it grow, seen the new members, officials and candidates arrive, he'd be in the best position to know.

I would never vote Ukip, but then again as an ex LibDem party member and activist I will never vote LibDem ever again either!

White, male, ex-Tory and incumbent MP wins by-election: UKIP hails "huge change"

BBC Nige

Is that the same Alan Sked who had a public endorsement from Enoch "Rivers of Blood" Powell in our very own By-election in 1993 (following the passing of Judith Chaplin)?

If so I would agree he is well placed to talk about the issue of public opinion around policies of immigration and race!

I think my vote that day would have been for Screaming Lord Sutch as he would have been as reliable as those that took the job subsequently. At least he was self aware

Thank you for putting the working link in, it was worth a listen and I would have missed it otherwise

Yes it would, so I don't think his right-wing credentials are in any doubt. If he started the party and he say's it's become racist, then who are we to argue?

Racist - Definition...............
"having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another"
I tend to agree with your point H.
So nothing then really to do with, for various reasons, wanting to have the ability to control the influx of people from whatever race or nationality to an already crowded country?