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Posted by: Mark NWN May 28 2010, 08:01 AM

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=13440

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ENGLAND’S upcoming World Cup campaign could be shown on a big screen in Newbury town centre.
The landlords of The Dolphin Hotel and the Snooty Fox, both in Bartholomew Street, and the Hogshead, in Wharf Street, have been in talks with West Berkshire Council over the possibility of setting up an outdoor screen in the market square to let fans watch World Cup games over the summer.
Matt Castle, landlord of The Dolphin Hotel and the Snooty Fox said: “It’s still early days but talks have been going well and we are hopeful of working something out. It’s been something that has been bubbling away for a while and we think it would be really good event for Newbury and the community.”
A spokeswoman for West Berkshire Council, Peta Stoddart-Crompton, said the publicans had met the council on Tuesday.
“The meeting was very positive and the organisers gave a good presentation to the Safety Advisory Group. The council is now looking forward to receiving a Temporary Events Notice from them,” she said.
If the event gets the go ahead it would be the first of its kind in Newbury.


What do you think of the proposal?

Is it something you'd like to see?

Let us know your thoughts on the matter. And in case you think this is more football news in the wrong place, a giant screen could be used for any kind of activity, even showing the final of X-Factor or something wink.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 28 2010, 08:08 AM

QUOTE (Mark NWN @ May 28 2010, 09:01 AM) *
http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=13440



What do you think of the proposal?

Is it something you'd like to see?

Let us know your thoughts on the matter. And in case you think this is more football news in the wrong place, a giant screen could be used for any kind of activity, even showing the final of X-Factor or something wink.gif


I don't want to put a downer on this idea but what would people do about the beer they will obviously want to be drinking whilst watcing the game? Would it be legal to be drinking in the Market Square or would some sort of temporary license be granted? As for the X Factor. I'd rather watch grass grow then watch that dross...

Posted by: NSF_1 May 28 2010, 08:11 AM

Brilliant idea

Posted by: Mark NWN May 28 2010, 08:52 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 28 2010, 09:08 AM) *
I don't want to put a downer on this idea but what would people do about the beer they will obviously want to be drinking whilst watcing the game? Would it be legal to be drinking in the Market Square or would some sort of temporary license be granted? As for the X Factor. I'd rather watch grass grow then watch that dross...



You are absolutely correct they would have to apply for a temporary licence.which would cover a set area, I don't think I could go something like that and not drink, even if its just the odd glass of coke.

Problem might be the hours of the games, off the top of my head I think it's 12:45, 3pm and 7:45 kick offs, so if you work regular(ish) hours, you're only going to be able to see one game a day sad.gif

Posted by: misc May 28 2010, 09:30 AM

No, it's not something I'd like to see, be it for football, talent shows or any other purpose.

Posted by: blackdog May 28 2010, 09:50 AM

I'm against this idea partly because I don't really see watching TV as a particularly wonderful town activity, but my main concern is that it would take trade away from the many pubs that are counting on the World Cup to boost their trade at a particularly difficult time.

Within pubs any overindulgent fans can be controlled more efficiently, the last thing Market Place businesses need is a rowdy crowd making the area one to avoid.

Posted by: Iommi May 28 2010, 11:17 AM

The market place full of football fans efin' and blindin' all afternoon or evening? Sounds great. mellow.gif

Posted by: Newburymafia May 28 2010, 01:16 PM

If we've got to put up with the bloody football in the market place, I'd quite like to watch the F1 every weekend it's on too!...with a nice cold beer in hand smile.gif



Posted by: Jayjay May 28 2010, 02:41 PM

Great idea. Would also like it used for Olympics.

Posted by: Bill1 May 28 2010, 03:39 PM

I think it's a fantastic idea as long as it's well monitored.

Watched loads of games in a large square in 98 in Malta, many nationalities there and everything went really well, I like to think it could happen here too.

You could have live music and/or DJs afterwards too.

Posted by: Roost May 28 2010, 03:42 PM

Call me cynical but I can't see it working somehow.

Think it's a great idea but along with that great idea of "cafe culture" I think there are inherent problems with trying to do something like this in the UK. Don't forget we're still fighting against 100 years of ingrained licensing laws that have only recentlt been relaxed.

Posted by: user23 May 28 2010, 04:59 PM

Sounds like a good idea. Two England group matches are on Friday and Saturday evenings when the Market Place is busy anyway.

Posted by: GMR May 28 2010, 05:48 PM

I think it is an excellent idea. It will put people in the mood and create a great fun football month for everybody in Newbury. I also think it would attract quite a few people.

Let us hope this idea is not just talk and they will do it.

Posted by: GMR May 28 2010, 05:49 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 28 2010, 09:08 AM) *
I don't want to put a downer on this idea but what would people do about the beer they will obviously want to be drinking whilst watcing the game? Would it be legal to be drinking in the Market Square or would some sort of temporary license be granted? As for the X Factor. I'd rather watch grass grow then watch that dross...



I am sure they will give a special licence (for drinks) for while the World cup match is being played. Let us get in the mood.

Posted by: GMR May 28 2010, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (misc @ May 28 2010, 10:30 AM) *
No, it's not something I'd like to see, be it for football, talent shows or any other purpose.



That is ok... you don't have to go wink.gif

Posted by: Strafin May 28 2010, 06:22 PM

Good idea - I've always looked at other towns that do this and felt quite jealous.

Posted by: GMR May 28 2010, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ May 28 2010, 07:22 PM) *
Good idea - I've always looked at other towns that do this and felt quite jealous.


I agree, we should be bringing something good to Newbury, instead of just winos, drunks and tramps.

Posted by: Hugh Saskin May 28 2010, 06:56 PM

QUOTE (GMR @ May 28 2010, 06:49 PM) *
I am sure they will give a special licence (for drinks) for while the World cup match is being played. Let us get in the mood.


Good idea and I've just seen the Toshiba advert exhorting us to buy a new laptop before June 10th. They say that if England win, then they'll refund the purchase price. Do they know something we don't? tongue.gif

Posted by: Newbury Expat May 28 2010, 08:18 PM

Excellent idea - hope it comes together.

I imagine the vast majority will be in good spirits and if anything it will bring footfall (through football) to the town centre.

Things like this can help enhance the fact that Newbury's a community at the end of the day.

Posted by: GMR May 28 2010, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ May 28 2010, 07:56 PM) *
Good idea and I've just seen the Toshiba advert exhorting us to buy a new laptop before June 10th. They say that if England win, then they'll refund the purchase price. Do they know something we don't? tongue.gif



Rumblows did the same many years ago. Was we got to the semi finals or whatever they started getting worried. In other words they don't expect England to win. I think we've got the best chance since the 1970s.

Posted by: blackdog May 29 2010, 12:09 AM

QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ May 28 2010, 07:56 PM) *
Good idea and I've just seen the Toshiba advert exhorting us to buy a new laptop before June 10th. They say that if England win, then they'll refund the purchase price. Do they know something we don't? tongue.gif

No - like us they know England won't win.

And just in case they have almost certainly insured themselves against having to pay out,

Posted by: GMR May 29 2010, 08:43 AM

QUOTE (blackdog @ May 29 2010, 01:09 AM) *
No - like us they know England won't win.

And just in case they have almost certainly insured themselves against having to pay out,



I disagree, I think England have a good chance.

Posted by: Strafin May 29 2010, 09:13 AM

QUOTE (GMR @ May 28 2010, 09:57 PM) *
Rumblows did the same many years ago. Was we got to the semi finals or whatever they started getting worried. In other words they don't expect England to win. I think we've got the best chance since the 1970s.

Rumbelows?? You oldie!! Lot's of places are offering a full rebate on televisions too, if England win. A brilliant incentive, finally a decent bit of capitalism!

Posted by: GMR May 29 2010, 09:37 AM

QUOTE (Strafin @ May 29 2010, 10:13 AM) *
Rumbelows?? You oldie!! Lot's of places are offering a full rebate on televisions too, if England win. A brilliant incentive, finally a decent bit of capitalism!



I still got Rumblows bugs. laugh.gif

I agree, but I think Rumbelows were one of the first to do this.

Posted by: Darren May 30 2010, 01:00 PM

Who's going to pay to police it?

Or will it be run on a trust system?

"Right lads and ladettes, sit down and watch the football, but behave or a CCTV operator in Maidenhead might happen to see something but won't know where you are or who you are!"

Posted by: GMR May 30 2010, 01:02 PM

QUOTE (Darren @ May 30 2010, 02:00 PM) *
Who's going to pay to police it?

Or will it be run on a trust system?

"Right lads and ladettes, sit down and watch the football, but behave or a CCTV operator in Maidenhead might happen to see something but won't know where you are or who you are!"



That is the job of the police to police. Are you suggesting we never have anything just in case somebody upsets somebody else and a riot breaks out?


Posted by: Darren May 30 2010, 01:06 PM

It's a large-scale public event where the pubs will sell as much alcohol as they possibly can in the shortest period they can. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that football + alcohol = trouble.


Posted by: Strafin May 30 2010, 01:33 PM

QUOTE (Darren @ May 30 2010, 02:06 PM) *
It's a large-scale public event where the pubs will sell as much alcohol as they possibly can in the shortest period they can. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that football + alcohol = trouble.

I think that's complete rubbish. I think the only way there would be trouble is if people who don't want to watch go along just top moan and get in the way. The beauty of international games is that everyone will be supporting the same team.

Posted by: GMR May 30 2010, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (Darren @ May 30 2010, 02:06 PM) *
It's a large-scale public event where the pubs will sell as much alcohol as they possibly can in the shortest period they can. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that football + alcohol = trouble.



True, then the police must sort it out and deal out harsh penalties to those that abuse such events. We shouldn’t be pandering to the anarchists but showing our resolve in dealing with such troubles.

We either let them win or we stand up to be counted. While I am on the subject; I am also against alcohol being put up because a few abuse it. If people want to get drunk to the point of bad behaviour and abuse then they must suffer the consequences; tougher jail sentences, public humiliation and even public flogging. We shouldn’t be making the good and respectable citizens suffer because of a few morons.

People should have a choice in our society; either be good or suffer the consequences for their actions; simples! We’ve become a soft nation where the unruly are concerned.


Posted by: blackdog May 30 2010, 02:59 PM

I believe that the police charge to police outdoor events - so I would hope that the organisers of big screen soccer in the Market Place will have budgetted for the expense of policing and we ratepayers are not being relied upon to subsidise a boost for the profits of a couple of pubs. Hopefully little policing would be needed, but I would be surprised if the boys in blue were not required from time to time.

It would be much simpler to keep drunken footie fans in the pubs.

Posted by: user23 May 30 2010, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (Darren @ May 30 2010, 02:06 PM) *
It's a large-scale public event where the pubs will sell as much alcohol as they possibly can in the shortest period they can. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that football + alcohol = trouble.
I've never seen trouble at any other events in town such as KOTG where there's always a bar open from midday to the early evening. That particular event polices itself, though there are the mandatory "bouncers" that I think the council specify should be in attendance at any event or establishment with a licence to sell alcohol. I don't see how this will be much different.

Remember, they'll be extra Police in town anyway, are you saying all the pubs should be footing the bill (no pun intended) for them too?

Posted by: JeffG May 30 2010, 03:09 PM

KOTG?

Posted by: GMR May 30 2010, 03:14 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ May 30 2010, 03:59 PM) *
I believe that the police charge to police outdoor events - so I would hope that the organisers of big screen soccer in the Market Place will have budgetted for the expense of policing and we ratepayers are not being relied upon to subsidise a boost for the profits of a couple of pubs. Hopefully little policing would be needed, but I would be surprised if the boys in blue were not required from time to time.

It would be much simpler to keep drunken footie fans in the pubs.


Well, if they are going to charge then you will want your money’s worth. If trouble occurs you want immediate and swift action. Any trouble makers caught are made to pay the police bill plus interest on top. On top of that other punishments are dished out against the perpetrators; hard-hitting and brutal punishments that will send a message to anybody who wishes to cause trouble and disrupt such events in the future. We are becoming too soft as a nation.

I don’t agree with you that football fans should be kept in pubs. Where is your community spirit? Where is your love for your fellow man... and woman? The world cup is a time for communities to get together and cheer their fellow countrymen on to victory.


Posted by: Biker1 May 30 2010, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (Mark NWN @ May 28 2010, 09:01 AM) *
http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=13440



What do you think of the proposal?

Is it something you'd like to see?

Let us know your thoughts on the matter.



Get me the h ell outa here while the Football World Cup is on!!! sad.gif

Hope the weather is good so I can escape it on my bike!! tongue.gif

Posted by: GMR May 30 2010, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 30 2010, 07:52 PM) *
Get me the h ell outa here while the Football World Cup is on!!! sad.gif

Hope the weather is good so I can escape it on my bike!! tongue.gif



You don’t really mean that? I am sure you will be cheering you country like every other Pole will be. laugh.gif wink.gif


Posted by: Darren May 30 2010, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ May 30 2010, 02:33 PM) *
I think that's complete rubbish. I think the only way there would be trouble is if people who don't want to watch go along just top moan and get in the way. The beauty of international games is that everyone will be supporting the same team.


Really?

So this will be an English-only event?

What happens if England progress?

Posted by: Strafin May 30 2010, 08:01 PM

1. Yes

2. Not necessarily but I would imagine anyone else would be in a huge minority and not in a position to "kick off", whereas club football tends to be around the 50:50 mark of opposing fans.

3. More games on the big screen!

Posted by: GMR May 30 2010, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ May 30 2010, 09:01 PM) *
1. Yes

2. Not necessarily but I would imagine anyone else would be in a huge minority and not in a position to "kick off", whereas club football tends to be around the 50:50 mark of opposing fans.

3. More games on the big screen!


Yes, let us hope they do progress.


Posted by: blackdog May 31 2010, 03:06 PM

QUOTE (GMR @ May 30 2010, 04:14 PM) *
I don’t agree with you that football fans should be kept in pubs.

Not all of them - just the ones containing too much booze.

QUOTE (GMR @ May 30 2010, 04:14 PM) *
Where is your community spirit? Where is your love for your fellow man... and woman? The world cup is a time for communities to get together and cheer their fellow countrymen on to victory.

Personally I don't care if England win this World Cup or go out at the first stage - football is not something I care much about. I am far more impressed that England won the World Cup in Barbados a few weeks back.

So I get irritated when I am told that it is all important or that I am unpatriotic not to be footie obsessed. In reality I care a lot more about the survival of the English pub - so I would like to see them getting as much out of the nation's foottie obsession as possible. If everyone goes to the Market Place a couple of pubs will make a killing at the others expense (until the rain sets in).


Posted by: JeffG May 31 2010, 05:29 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ May 31 2010, 04:06 PM) *
football is not something I care much about. I am far more impressed that England won the World Cup in Barbados a few weeks back.

So what sport was that then? Probably not something I care much about. smile.gif

Posted by: blackdog May 31 2010, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ May 31 2010, 06:29 PM) *
So what sport was that then? Probably not something I care much about. smile.gif


T20 Cricket - as I suspect you know. Many people care very little about cricket. huh.gif

Posted by: GMR May 31 2010, 10:28 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ May 31 2010, 08:29 PM) *
T20 Cricket - as I suspect you know. Many people care very little about cricket. huh.gif


And for good reasons wink.gif

Posted by: misc Jun 1 2010, 07:38 AM

QUOTE (Roost @ May 28 2010, 03:42 PM) *
Don't forget we're still fighting

So true.

Posted by: blackdog Jun 1 2010, 08:36 AM

QUOTE (GMR @ May 31 2010, 11:28 PM) *
And for good reasons wink.gif

No doubt.

Sadly many of the same people have the bizarre idea that football is somehow important. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Bill1 Jun 1 2010, 12:41 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ May 30 2010, 04:09 PM) *
KOTG?



Keep Off The Grass.

It's a dance event with local DJs in Victoria Park once or twice a year.

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 1 2010, 02:37 PM

QUOTE (Bill1 @ Jun 1 2010, 01:41 PM) *
Keep Off The Grass.

It's a dance event with local DJs in Victoria Park once or twice a year.


This has gone so far off topic it's on another continent!
Sorry Bill - couldn't help it! tongue.gif

Posted by: GMR Jun 1 2010, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 1 2010, 09:36 AM) *
No doubt.

Sadly many of the same people have the bizarre idea that football is somehow important. rolleyes.gif



Strange that! wink.gif

Posted by: GMR Jun 1 2010, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 1 2010, 03:37 PM) *
This has gone so far off topic it's on another continent!
Sorry Bill - couldn't help it! tongue.gif


When do they ever stay on topic?

Posted by: user23 Jun 1 2010, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 1 2010, 03:37 PM) *
This has gone so far off topic it's on another continent!
Sorry Bill - couldn't help it! tongue.gif
Not really, we're still talking about events in Newbury.

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 1 2010, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Jun 1 2010, 07:54 PM) *
Not really, we're still talking about events in Newbury.


Only joking - they nearly all go off topic and it's part of natural conversation / debate.

Personally I enjoy it. smile.gif

Posted by: Bill1 Jun 2 2010, 09:16 AM

QUOTE (Bill1 @ Jun 1 2010, 01:41 PM) *
Keep Off The Grass.

It's a dance event with local DJs in Victoria Park once or twice a year.



QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 1 2010, 03:37 PM) *
This has gone so far off topic it's on another continent!
Sorry Bill - couldn't help it! tongue.gif



I was merely answering JeffG's enquiry. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Bofem Jun 2 2010, 04:14 PM

Good to see everyone so excited about it, but it's not going to happen. The publicans have found it too expensive, and they've run out of time after some nifty footwork by WBC/TVP to kick it into the long grass.


Posted by: Brewmaster Jun 2 2010, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 1 2010, 09:36 AM) *
No doubt.

Sadly many of the same people have the bizarre idea that football is somehow important. rolleyes.gif

Oh, how fervently I agree with you!

Can we start a list of local pubs that are completely World Cup football free?

Posted by: Iommi Jun 2 2010, 05:30 PM

QUOTE (Brewmaster @ Jun 2 2010, 05:22 PM) *
Oh, how fervently I agree with you! Can we start a list of local pubs that are completely World Cup football free?

Never mind, general interest is likely to take a massive dip after the 4 weekend in June.

Posted by: Roost Jun 2 2010, 06:13 PM

What you need to do is band together and buy a licensed premise!

Rename it "Bar Humbug" and ban Christmas, rugby, football and general frivolity of every kind!

All the best in that...!
tongue.gif


Posted by: Iommi Jun 2 2010, 06:37 PM

Why me? I like footer? It is just not the be-all and end-all in life. I'm also a realist! wink.gif

Posted by: blackdog Jun 2 2010, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (Brewmaster @ Jun 2 2010, 05:22 PM) *
Oh, how fervently I agree with you!

Can we start a list of local pubs that are completely World Cup football free?

Okay, I'll start with all the ones I know of:

1.




Your turn.

Posted by: Newbury Expat Jun 3 2010, 08:03 PM

Looks like the idea has lost momentum.

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=13497

Posted by: dannyboy Jun 3 2010, 08:17 PM

QUOTE (Newbury Expat @ Jun 3 2010, 09:03 PM) *
Looks like the idea has lost momentum.

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=13497

No loss of momentum - just a lack of interest in paying for it.

And, apparently ony 2 pubs ( Snooty Fox & Hogshead ) were involved. Why the Hogshead, which is part of a huge national chain, would want to encourage customers away from their bar I have no idea.

Posted by: user23 Jun 3 2010, 08:36 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jun 3 2010, 09:17 PM) *
No loss of momentum - just a lack of interest in paying for it.

And, apparently ony 2 pubs ( Snooty Fox & Hogshead ) were involved. Why the Hogshead, which is part of a huge national chain, would want to encourage customers away from their bar I have no idea.
It's extra space isn't it? The Hogshead will be full for every England match. If they have more space in the Market Place it means more beer sold and more profit for them, even if it's split with another pub.

Posted by: GMR Jun 3 2010, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (Newbury Expat @ Jun 3 2010, 09:03 PM) *
Looks like the idea has lost momentum.

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=13497



That is sad, I think it would have been popular.

Posted by: dannyboy Jun 3 2010, 09:53 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Jun 3 2010, 09:36 PM) *
It's extra space isn't it? The Hogshead will be full for every England match. If they have more space in the Market Place it means more beer sold and more profit for them, even if it's split with another pub.

err, I think if there was a bloomin great screen in the market place I'd be loaded up with beer from Tesco.

Posted by: spartacus Jun 3 2010, 10:57 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jun 3 2010, 10:53 PM) *
err, I think if there was a bloomin great screen in the market place I'd be loaded up with beer from Tesco.

I think this was half of the problem.... The landlords had been quoted something in the region of £15k (apparently?) for hiring the jumbo screen. Trying to keep that screen for the exclusive use of 'their punters' was the problem. That's a lot of beer needing to be necked to make up that outlay. The more they looked into it the more problems were being raised. And only a couple of landlords willing to even consider sharing the cost.

Most already have multiple large screens inside their pub. IF England progress in the tournament they can use doormen to control numbers coming in to view (and drink).

Unless they put the screen inside a large marquee on Market Place there was always going to be the problem of how do you prevent casual teetotal Newbury folk just setting up a chair in Market Place and watching the big screen....

Perhaps the solution would be an 'Honesty Box' (currently being suggested as an alternative to parking charges for The Discovery Centre in Thatcham.... rolleyes.gif ). Strategically placed buckets placed around Market Place for people to flip coins and notes into as they watch the footie..... to help out the publicans....


Nah... this one was scuppered by harsh reality and a realisation that it wasn't going to make money... relied a little too much on good weather and good football results and the problems were greater once you looked at the detail...

I think that WBC actually wanted this one to happen, (or wouldn't prevent it), but certainly couldn't subsidise it.......

Posted by: Iommi Jun 3 2010, 11:15 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Jun 3 2010, 11:57 PM) *
I think that WBC actually wanted this one to happen, (or wouldn't prevent it), but certainly couldn't subsidise it.......

Hmm, we've run-out of big screen donations! wink.gif

Posted by: Brewmaster Jun 4 2010, 08:21 AM

QUOTE (Roost @ Jun 2 2010, 07:13 PM) *
What you need to do is band together and buy a licensed premise!

Rename it "Bar Humbug" and ban Christmas, rugby, football and general frivolity of every kind!

All the best in that...!
tongue.gif

Objecting to having one particular sport rammed down your throat wherever you go does not make a person a Scrooge.


Posted by: Bill1 Jun 4 2010, 11:50 AM

I agree it's a pity we couldn't do this, as will happen in BIG towns and cities, but it is nothing to do with WBC not wanting it.

Anyway with places like Liquid offering free entry and reduced drink prices, hopefully my usual footie viewing pub wont be full of casual fans who only jump on the bandwagon during major tournaments.

Funniest incident being in 98 when one young lady, who was part of a large group that had taken over our little piece of footie viewing heaven, asking before the start of England v Argentina "Why isn't Giggsy playing?".

Numptie! blink.gif

Posted by: dannyboy Jun 4 2010, 12:11 PM

QUOTE (Bill1 @ Jun 4 2010, 12:50 PM) *
, hopefully my usual footie viewing pub wont be full of casual fans who only jump on the bandwagon during major tournaments.

It is called being patriotic. Football is dead boring, but I'll be cheering England on.

IMHO it is us 'casual fans' that provide the atmosphere & party spirit.

Posted by: misc Jun 4 2010, 12:54 PM

I agree that football is boring, and I couldn't care less how badly the England team does.

Posted by: Bill1 Jun 4 2010, 01:07 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jun 4 2010, 01:11 PM) *
It is called being patriotic. Football is dead boring, but I'll be cheering England on.

IMHO it is us 'casual fans' that provide the atmosphere & party spirit.



QUOTE (misc @ Jun 4 2010, 01:54 PM) *
I agree that football is boring, and I couldn't care less how badly the England team does.



laugh.gif

I find "Dog of the week" on the website dead boring, so you know what? I just ignore it.............

Posted by: misc Jun 4 2010, 01:31 PM

QUOTE (Bill1 @ Jun 4 2010, 01:07 PM) *
I find "Dog of the week" on the website dead boring, so you know what? I just ignore it.............

Seeing as I've never seen "dog of the week", I can only assume it's much easier to ignore than football - especially around World Cup time.

Perhaps I should take a lesson from Charlie Brooker:

QUOTE
It's quite simple. I've finally realised that loudly and repeatedly complaining that the World Cup is a whopping great pain in the **** ultimately achieves nothing. Us haters can't win. We're either accused of adopting a contrary position for the sake of it, or told to just ignore it (which we can't, because it's bloody everywhere). Sometimes fans yawn and say they're bored by us killjoys moaning about it, even though they can't possibly be as bored as we are, bored with every flag and cheer and news report and rebranded chocolate bar: the kind of boredom that gnaws at your bones till you don't want to live any more. They just don't understand.

And sometimes people look genuinely upset, and implore you to stop having a go at the World Cup on humanitarian grounds. "Leave it alone, it's just a bit of fun ... it's done nothing to you," they whine through their disgusting football-loving faces, as though the World Cup were a defenceless nine-year-old girl you're attacking with a hammer, instead of an overhyped moneyspinning festival of tedium in which the world's thickest millionaires kick a rubbish ball round a poxy field to the wonderment of an audience of foghorning cretins.

Posted by: Strafin Jun 4 2010, 02:07 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jun 4 2010, 01:11 PM) *
It is called being patriotic. Football is dead boring, but I'll be cheering England on.

IMHO it is us 'casual fans' that provide the atmosphere & party spirit.

Your normally the ones who insist on signing and dancing, normally right in front of the screen when we're all trying to listen and watch!

Posted by: Andy1 Jun 4 2010, 02:25 PM

I believe there is only one thing better than watching sport and that's taking part.

2010 has already had some great sporting events and there is still more to come. I'm looking forward to them all

Posted by: Bill1 Jun 4 2010, 03:49 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 4 2010, 03:07 PM) *
Your normally the ones who insist on signing and dancing, normally right in front of the screen when we're all trying to listen and watch!



Well said Strafin!

Posted by: dannyboy Jun 4 2010, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 4 2010, 03:07 PM) *
Your normally the ones who insist on signing and dancing, normally right in front of the screen when we're all trying to listen and watch!

We must have met!

Posted by: HJD Jun 4 2010, 05:34 PM

QUOTE (misc @ Jun 4 2010, 02:31 PM) *
Seeing as I've never seen "dog of the week", I can only assume it's much easier to ignore than football - especially around World Cup time.

Perhaps I should take a lesson from Charlie Brooker:

It's quite simple. I've finally realised that loudly and repeatedly complaining that the World Cup is a whopping great pain in the **** ultimately achieves nothing. Us haters can't win. We're either accused of adopting a contrary position for the sake of it, or told to just ignore it (which we can't, because it's bloody everywhere). Sometimes fans yawn and say they're bored by us killjoys moaning about it, even though they can't possibly be as bored as we are, bored with every flag and cheer and news report and rebranded chocolate bar: the kind of boredom that gnaws at your bones till you don't want to live any more. They just don't understand.

And sometimes people look genuinely upset, and implore you to stop having a go at the World Cup on humanitarian grounds. "Leave it alone, it's just a bit of fun ... it's done nothing to you," they whine through their disgusting football-loving faces, as though the World Cup were a defenceless nine-year-old girl you're attacking with a hammer, instead of an overhyped moneyspinning festival of tedium in which the world's thickest millionaires kick a rubbish ball round a poxy field to the wonderment of an audience of foghorning cretins.


I could'nt agree more. rolleyes.gif

And just to change the subject i would like to wish Gary May ( a local motorcycle racer for the football fanatics that don't know ) all the best in his first Isle of Man TT races this coming week. cool.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 5 2010, 07:25 AM

QUOTE (HJD @ Jun 4 2010, 06:34 PM) *
It's quite simple. I've finally realised that loudly and repeatedly complaining that the World Cup is a whopping great pain in the **** ultimately achieves nothing. Us haters can't win. We're either accused of adopting a contrary position for the sake of it, or told to just ignore it (which we can't, because it's bloody everywhere). Sometimes fans yawn and say they're bored by us killjoys moaning about it, even though they can't possibly be as bored as we are, bored with every flag and cheer and news report and rebranded chocolate bar: the kind of boredom that gnaws at your bones till you don't want to live any more. They just don't understand.

And sometimes people look genuinely upset, and implore you to stop having a go at the World Cup on humanitarian grounds. "Leave it alone, it's just a bit of fun ... it's done nothing to you," they whine through their disgusting football-loving faces, as though the World Cup were a defenceless nine-year-old girl you're attacking with a hammer, instead of an overhyped moneyspinning festival of tedium in which the world's thickest millionaires kick a rubbish ball round a poxy field to the wonderment of an audience of foghorning cretins.


I could'nt agree more. rolleyes.gif

And just to change the subject i would like to wish Gary May ( a local motorcycle racer for the football fanatics that don't know ) all the best in his first Isle of Man TT races this coming week. cool.gif



Wow! At last my sentiments about this whole charade are summed up here.

That's the whole point - it's almost impossible to ignore it because it's rammed down ones throat form every possible media angle.

PS - Good luck to Gary too - doubt whether you'll see much of it in the media! mellow.gif

"Foghorning cretins" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: user23 Jun 5 2010, 08:32 AM

People that make a song and dance about how much they dislike the World Cup are worse than the "foghorning cretins" who watch it.

It's once every four years and as someone has already pointed out they're akin to those who simply must tell you that they dislike Christmas, daily on every day in October, November and December.


Posted by: Biker1 Jun 5 2010, 08:54 AM

QUOTE (user23 @ Jun 5 2010, 09:32 AM) *
People that make a song and dance about how much they dislike the World Cup are worse than the "foghorning cretins" who watch it.

It's once every four years and as someone has already pointed out they're akin to those who simply must tell you that they dislike Christmas, daily on every day in October, November and December.



It's not the World Cup per say - it's all the hype and inescapability that goes with it.

Nothing wrong with those who watch it - just keep it to yourselves.

Same with Christmas - Nothing wrong with it - just the media hype that starts in September.

Posted by: Strafin Jun 5 2010, 09:26 AM

Keep it to yourselves? It's the biggest competition in the world! It creates so much joy for so many people across the globe, regardless of background. Culture, religion, and finance are all disregared in pursuit of the beautiful game. It's brilliant.

Posted by: Iommi Jun 5 2010, 09:50 AM

'Hype' is one of the tools to help stir the economy.

Posted by: HJD Jun 5 2010, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (user23 @ Jun 5 2010, 09:32 AM) *
People that make a song and dance about how much they dislike the World Cup are worse than the "foghorning cretins" who watch it.

It's once every four years and as someone has already pointed out they're akin to those who simply must tell you that they dislike Christmas, daily on every day in October, November and December.



To start with in my opinion making 1 single comment does not constitute me 'making a song and dance', and to put things straight it's not just the World Cup, it's football in general along with all the acting, cheating & obscene money that goes with it. I don't hate it, i can just take it or leave it, if it gives others pleasure fair enough but personally i dislike having it rammed down my throat with the media etc. assuming it should take precedence over everything else. If England win rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif that's good, but i for one won't be crying if they go out early on. wink.gif wink.gif

Posted by: spartacus Jun 5 2010, 03:28 PM

Don't know about the foghorning cretins... it's 'The England Supporters Band' that gets on my tits....
90mins + of 'The Great Escape' by some talentless trumpeteer accompanied by a baboon on a drum....... nauseating......

"da-da, da DA de-da-da, ra-da de da-da da dum" "ING-LAND!!"

(repeat ad nauseum.....)

No escape from The Great Escape whether you listen to commentary on the radio or watch on the box...

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 6 2010, 07:27 AM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 5 2010, 10:26 AM) *
It's the biggest competition in the world!


In some peoples opinion.

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 5 2010, 10:26 AM) *
Culture, religion, and finance are all disregared in pursuit of the beautiful game.


What's "beautiful" about it.
A strange adjective for describing a ball sport.

Do you know what beautiful actually means?

There are many things that are beautiful but football aint one of them!

Posted by: Strafin Jun 6 2010, 08:02 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 6 2010, 08:27 AM) *
In some peoples opinion.



What's "beautiful" about it.
A strange adjective for describing a ball sport.

Do you know what beautiful actually means?

There are many things that are beautiful but football aint one of them!

Football is known worldwide as the beautiful game, it's not my description.

Posted by: Strafin Jun 6 2010, 08:04 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 6 2010, 08:27 AM) *
In some peoples opinion.

2006 world cup viewing figures

5.9 billion total viewers for the whole tournament

10% more total viewers than 2002

Average of 93 million viewers per match

41% of viewers were female

http://www.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2006/definitive-world-cup-viewing-figures.html

Not just my opinion.

Posted by: user23 Jun 6 2010, 08:10 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 6 2010, 08:27 AM) *
In some peoples opinion.

What's "beautiful" about it.
A strange adjective for describing a ball sport.

Do you know what beautiful actually means?

There are many things that are beautiful but football aint one of them!
It's the biggest sporting competition in the world in terms of those that watch it and the sport is known as The Beautiful Game.

This thread seems to have gone off topic and it looks like it's not going to happen anyway. Funding is given to arts events from various sources, it's just a shame that there's little chance of it being given to support something like this.

Posted by: Andy1 Jun 6 2010, 08:31 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 6 2010, 08:27 AM) *
In some peoples opinion.



What's "beautiful" about it.
A strange adjective for describing a ball sport.

Do you know what beautiful actually means?

There are many things that are beautiful but football aint one of them!


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Posted by: Andy1 Jun 6 2010, 08:34 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 5 2010, 09:54 AM) *
It's not the World Cup per say - it's all the hype and inescapability that goes with it.

Nothing wrong with those who watch it - just keep it to yourselves.

Same with Christmas - Nothing wrong with it - just the media hype that starts in September.



People would watch the world cup, whether it was hyped up or not. It's used as a tool to promoted products not the game it's self. There also nothing wrong with not liking it, just keep it to your self.

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 6 2010, 08:40 AM

QUOTE (user23 @ Jun 6 2010, 09:10 AM) *
the sport is known as The Beautiful Game.


Why?

Not by me it's not!

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 6 2010, 08:41 AM

QUOTE (Andy1 @ Jun 6 2010, 09:34 AM) *
There also nothing wrong with not liking it, just keep it to your self.



There is also nothing wrong with liking it - just keep it to yourself.

PS - except why should we? - this is a debating forum where you are able to air your views!

Posted by: Iommi Jun 6 2010, 09:37 AM

I like Footer, Rugby, Cricket, motor cycles, music, Moto GP, F1, real ale, Christmas and Easter starting early...no need for me to spend my time moaning about having fun. I'll leave that to the bores amongst us.

Posted by: user23 Jun 6 2010, 09:46 AM

QUOTE (Andy1 @ Jun 6 2010, 09:31 AM) *
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
And the World Cup has more "beholders" than any other sporting event on the globe.

Posted by: Bofem Jun 6 2010, 10:08 AM

User's right you know. This is bigger than the Olympics. Bring it on

Posted by: Jayjay Jun 6 2010, 11:01 AM

Its a shame this has been ditched. Screens in the market place could be used for many events as well as the world cup such as the olympics and currently the Big Screen Opera is on. Something for everyone.

Posted by: dannyboy Jun 6 2010, 12:38 PM

QUOTE (Jayjay @ Jun 6 2010, 12:01 PM) *
Its a shame this has been ditched. Screens in the market place could be used for many events as well as the world cup such as the olympics and currently the Big Screen Opera is on. Something for everyone.

I think the idea was to rent a screen. Not to instal one permanently.

Posted by: Andy1 Jun 6 2010, 02:28 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 5 2010, 09:54 AM)
It's not the World Cup per say - it's all the hype and inescapability that goes with it.

Nothing wrong with those who watch it - just keep it to yourselves.

Same with Christmas - Nothing wrong with it - just the media hype that starts in September


QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 6 2010, 09:41 AM) *
There is also nothing wrong with liking it - just keep it to yourself.

PS - except why should we? - this is a debating forum where you are able to air your views!


I was replying to your post. You were telling people who like to watch football to keep it to themselves, so I'll throw that one back at you and say why should we keep it to ourselves, this is a debating forum for airing your views!!!!!

Posted by: user23 Jun 6 2010, 05:31 PM

Isn't the new pavilion in the park going to have an outdoor screen?

Posted by: Exhausted Jun 6 2010, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Jun 6 2010, 06:31 PM) *
Isn't the new pavilion in the park going to have an outdoor screen?


No, that was clearly identified as a concept when the model was made available for consultation and was considered far too expensive to install, operate and maintain. A couple of well aimed pebbles by the local riff raff would soon put paid to it anyway.

Posted by: dannyboy Jun 7 2010, 12:31 AM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Jun 6 2010, 07:25 PM) *
. A couple of well aimed pebbles by the local riff raff would soon put paid to it anyway.

Large outdoor screens don't work in the same way as a telly, for this very reason. Plus technology can't make single screens above about 100".

Posted by: Newbury Expat Jun 7 2010, 04:27 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jun 6 2010, 05:31 PM) *
Large outdoor screens don't work in the same way as a telly, for this very reason. Plus technology can't make single screens above about 100".


Have to disagree with you there Danny.

http://www.switched.com/2009/05/26/dallas-cowboys-stadium-now-boasts-worlds-largest-1080p-hdtv/

Try 55 metres!!

Posted by: Jayjay Jun 7 2010, 09:36 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jun 6 2010, 01:38 PM) *
I think the idea was to rent a screen. Not to instal one permanently.


I meant if showing the world cup in the market place went well it could be extended to other events. Lots of towns hire screens for things like the Proms.

Posted by: dannyboy Jun 7 2010, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (Newbury Expat @ Jun 7 2010, 05:27 AM) *
Have to disagree with you there Danny.

http://www.switched.com/2009/05/26/dallas-cowboys-stadium-now-boasts-worlds-largest-1080p-hdtv/

Try 55 metres!!


Yes, but these are not sing
le screens as such, and thus a pebble thrown at them will not, as earlier suggested, stop the screen from working. The pebble would simply take out a single LED.
These are basically LED scoreboards where the LEDs are ticghtly packed & bunched in 3s to give the appearance of colour & fluid motion.

Posted by: user23 Jun 7 2010, 07:03 PM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Jun 6 2010, 07:25 PM) *
No, that was clearly identified as a concept when the model was made available for consultation and was considered far too expensive to install, operate and maintain. A couple of well aimed pebbles by the local riff raff would soon put paid to it anyway.
Not if it was a projector.

Posted by: Exhausted Jun 8 2010, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Jun 7 2010, 08:03 PM) *
Not if it was a projector.


A back projector is not a suitable option for the main reason that the designated position on the pavilion faces West. This means that from about 1.00 pm the sun is shining directly on it until about 9 or 10pm.

Posted by: user23 Jun 8 2010, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Jun 8 2010, 07:35 PM) *
A back projector is not a suitable option for the main reason that the designated position on the pavilion faces West. This means that from about 1.00 pm the sun is shining directly on it until about 9 or 10pm.
Not if it was shielded from the sun.

Posted by: Iommi Jun 8 2010, 07:06 PM

I thought that this was intended for the Market Place? unsure.gif

Posted by: user23 Jun 8 2010, 07:14 PM

QUOTE (Iommi @ Jun 8 2010, 08:06 PM) *
I thought that this was intended for the Market Place? unsure.gif
It was, but we're now talking about a permanent screen outside the new pavilion that could be used for events from the World Cup to the Proms.

Posted by: Iommi Jun 8 2010, 07:23 PM

Right.

LED screens could be covered when not in use, or have a protective screen in front of them. I don't like the idea of the pavilion at all, but if, as I suspect we will, have to have it, I think not having a suitable VDU for outdoor events would be a mistake.

Posted by: spartacus Jun 8 2010, 08:01 PM

This really is starting to sound like one of those "Oooh THAT'S a good idea...." ideas, which nobody (or very few)would actually use when it comes to it.

Faced with the choice of (A) watching the footie (or many other TV 'events') on a large screen of variable quality, in the middle of the Market Place (or pavillion setting) with a view blocked by some tall bloke in front of you, where you cannnot hear the commentary and the suns either too bright to see the screeen properly or it's peeing down and you don't want to be stood outside anyway,
OR ( B ) watching the same broadcast in your front room in glorious HD while slouched on your sofa, wearing just your underpants and having the kids run to the fridge to top up daddies beer.....

(thinks...)
I'll just go for Option B.

Posted by: Iommi Jun 8 2010, 08:17 PM

I think a 'community' big screen sounds like a good idea and would work, but it doesn't sound very post 2008.

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 8 2010, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Jun 8 2010, 09:01 PM) *
while slouched on your sofa, wearing just your underpants



Now I'm going to have nightmares! wink.gif

Posted by: misc Jun 9 2010, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 8 2010, 10:12 PM) *
Now I'm going to have nightmares! wink.gif

So are his kids!

Posted by: NewburytoNowhere Jun 9 2010, 04:08 PM

God knows what either would achieved from it anyway! Both pubs have enough dirty screens to convince yourself you're at a second hand north korean market for the "affluant" members of society... how can they maintain one giant screen for a whole month???

On hearing they haven't put any temporary licence application forward for the screen or alcohol, I can't help but feel both the landlords are "mouth and no trousers", maybe in the hope that talk enough will generate more footfall through the doors.

I do honestly hope the pavillion in Victoria Park will be built in 4 years time, so "Englands best hope of winning it, since 1966... again" can be displaid on a beautiul big screen in the park.

Posted by: Iommi Jun 9 2010, 04:46 PM

QUOTE (NewburytoNowhere @ Jun 9 2010, 05:08 PM) *
I do honestly hope the pavillion in Victoria Park will be built in 4 years time, so "Englands best hope of winning it, since 1966... again" can be displaid on a beautiul big screen in the park.

And today's weather, might remind us why this will not always work.

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 14 2010, 08:21 PM

I have just wasted 1/2 an hour looking for a hornets nest that I thought was in the loft!

Turned out it was my wife watching a World Cup match on the telly! tongue.gif

Posted by: JeffG Jun 14 2010, 08:24 PM

At least it's expanded everyone's vocabulary! biggrin.gif

Posted by: GMR Jun 14 2010, 09:51 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 14 2010, 09:21 PM) *
I have just wasted 1/2 an hour looking for a hornets nest that I thought was in the loft!

Turned out it was my wife watching a World Cup match on the telly! tongue.gif



Why don't you watch it with her? wink.gif

Posted by: JeffG Jun 15 2010, 09:38 AM

QUOTE (GMR @ Jun 14 2010, 10:51 PM) *
Why don't you watch it with her? wink.gif

Is it compulsory now, then? ohmy.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 15 2010, 03:09 PM

QUOTE (GMR @ Jun 14 2010, 10:51 PM) *
Why don't you watch it with her? wink.gif



And wreck 23 tears of married bliss? biggrin.gif

Posted by: blackdog Jun 15 2010, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (NewburytoNowhere @ Jun 9 2010, 05:08 PM) *
I do honestly hope the pavillion in Victoria Park will be built in 4 years time, so "Englands best hope of winning it, since 1966... again" can be displaid on a beautiul big screen in the park.

When I asked about the screen on the pavillion at the consultation in the library I was told that there would not be a permanent screen, just a window in which a temporary screen might be put for occasional events.

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