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Feb 1 2012, 02:17 PM
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Was just reading this... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185and wondered what people's thoughts were. The example family in the link get approx £30,000 per year in benefit, and could stand to lose £4000 if the cap were introduced. Looking at the family's ougoings I find it hard to have a great deal of sympathy. The guy has been out of work for 10 years (so one wonders why he hasn't retrained or at least found something in that time), they manage to find the funds for a Sky TV subscription - with movies, 200 cigarettes and 24 cans of lager a week. They clearly go without in other areas - they have no car and don't go on holiday every year (although many other people don't either!), but it seems obvious to me that if people are able to be in receipt of the equivalent of a respectable salary (30k is way more than I earn) without, in theory, having to leave the house or even get up in the morning, then we will end up with generations upon generations of families who will simply choose not to work. Cutting benefits so that people can no longer afford to use them to fund Sky TV, 24 cans of lager and 200 fags a week may be the start needed.
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Feb 3 2012, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Feb 3 2012, 09:59 AM) I would have gone for the children thing myself, except that reading about this case, it's a "manufactured" large family caused by two people with existing children joining up. It's not as though they were pumping out children while he was on the dole. Fair enough they didn't conceive children but they are still responsible for those children, still 8 children from 2 separate marriages is a large number... and that's not the responsibility of the tax payer. And what for these children as they grow up, seeing their parents both stuck at home on benefits, do you think they will go out and be empowered and encouraged to get jobs? I worry more for the children than I do the elders...what will they have to look forward to in life? Their future is looking bleak. (like Tracey Beaker but she turned out OK, and quite hot as well)
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Feb 5 2012, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 3 2012, 04:02 PM) Fair enough they didn't conceive children but they are still responsible for those children, still 8 children from 2 separate marriages is a large number... and that's not the responsibility of the tax payer. It's actually six children. The problem with examples such as this is that we really don't know enough about the circumstances. It is, for instance, entirely possible that for months on end the chap was the sole carer for a seriously sick and incapable wife and six young children - a situation where it could even have cost the state more if he had gone out to work. As the children grow up this will become far less of an issue (apart from funding the seemingly mandatory mobiles) - but the chap would now have an employment record that goes a long way towards rendering him unemployable. Of course he could equally well be a work-shy scrounger ... The individual case is used to obscure the inherent unfairness of a cap - that some are having their benefits cut while others, no more deserving, aren't. It is okay to fund the fags, booze, Sky, mobiles, etc for one family because they only get £25.9k but the family next door with an extra kid will have to give them up. If we have to cut benefits then cut them fairly.
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massifheed Proposed benefit cuts Feb 1 2012, 02:17 PM Bloggo QUOTE (massifheed @ Feb 1 2012, 02:17 PM)... Feb 1 2012, 02:30 PM xjay1337 Agree, I saw this and was thinking exactly the sam... Feb 1 2012, 03:25 PM massifheed QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 1 2012, 03:25 PM) .... Feb 1 2012, 04:22 PM stewiegriffin Agree completely, they could and should have their... Feb 1 2012, 04:21 PM blackdog Looking at the article it is easy enough to get wo... Feb 1 2012, 07:39 PM xjay1337 QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 1 2012, 07:39 PM) L... Feb 1 2012, 08:09 PM blackdog QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 1 2012, 08:09 PM) S... Feb 2 2012, 01:15 AM xjay1337 QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 2 2012, 01:15 AM) I... Feb 2 2012, 02:19 AM TallDarkAndHandsome I feel so sorry for this family.
I think there ben... Feb 2 2012, 08:54 AM massifheed QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 2 2012, 02:19 AM) B... Feb 2 2012, 09:26 AM blackdog QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 2 2012, 02:19 AM) N... Feb 2 2012, 05:51 PM xjay1337 QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 2 2012, 05:51 PM) I... Feb 2 2012, 06:49 PM massifheed QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 1 2012, 07:39 PM) U... Feb 1 2012, 08:20 PM Andy Capp "I see eight people here having to choose bet... Feb 1 2012, 08:44 PM NWNREADER I've never been on benefits. What is the tax ... Feb 1 2012, 09:32 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 1 2012, 09:32 PM) ... Feb 1 2012, 10:03 PM Strafin Nope, they will probably be getting all that too. ... Feb 1 2012, 10:07 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 1 2012, 10:07 PM) No... Feb 1 2012, 10:18 PM NWNREADER If benefits are 'cash in hand', how much w... Feb 1 2012, 10:54 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 1 2012, 10:54 PM) ... Feb 1 2012, 11:03 PM NWNREADER QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 1 2012, 10:54 PM) ... Feb 2 2012, 09:44 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 2 2012, 09:44 PM) ... Feb 2 2012, 09:49 PM NWNREADER 'It'? 'Reckless'? You mean the m... Feb 2 2012, 10:10 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 2 2012, 10:10 PM) ... Feb 2 2012, 10:56 PM NWNREADER Found this in the Oxford Mail
The vox pop comment... Feb 4 2012, 01:49 PM On the edge QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 4 2012, 01:49 PM) ... Feb 4 2012, 03:12 PM Strafin Actually it's 8 children from two marriages, s... Feb 5 2012, 11:51 AM NWNREADER QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 5 2012, 11:51 AM) Ac... Feb 5 2012, 12:32 PM blackdog QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 5 2012, 11:51 AM) Ac... Feb 5 2012, 04:16 PM NWNREADER QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 5 2012, 04:16 PM) I... Feb 5 2012, 04:26 PM blackdog QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 5 2012, 04:26 PM) ... Feb 5 2012, 06:25 PM xjay1337 How would people feel about imposing a limit on ch... Feb 6 2012, 11:53 AM blackdog QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 6 2012, 11:53 AM) H... Feb 6 2012, 04:42 PM Andy Capp QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 6 2012, 04:42 PM) I... Feb 6 2012, 06:28 PM EvieG2017 QUOTE (massifheed @ Feb 1 2012, 02:17 PM)... Dec 11 2017, 12:02 PM Andy Capp Yes,there are some scroungers, but not just at the... Dec 11 2017, 03:13 PM newres This family with 7 children is an extreme example,... Dec 11 2017, 03:40 PM Turin Machine If you cap those abusing the system there will be ... Dec 11 2017, 05:38 PM SirWilliam Funnily enough I was debating this very subject wi... Dec 11 2017, 06:45 PM On the edge This is all pretty old stuff; look at the start da... Dec 12 2017, 06:57 AM Andy Capp Benefit scroungers are small fry in cash terms, bu... Dec 12 2017, 09:59 AM Mr Brown From time immemorial, just do sufficient to keep t... Dec 16 2017, 08:59 AM SirWilliam QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Dec 16 2017, 08:59 AM) ... Dec 16 2017, 09:15 AM je suis Charlie QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Dec 16 2017, 08:59 AM) ... Dec 16 2017, 09:41 AM
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