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massifheed
post Feb 1 2012, 02:17 PM
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Was just reading this...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185

and wondered what people's thoughts were. The example family in the link get approx £30,000 per year in benefit, and could stand to lose £4000 if the cap were introduced. Looking at the family's ougoings I find it hard to have a great deal of sympathy. The guy has been out of work for 10 years (so one wonders why he hasn't retrained or at least found something in that time), they manage to find the funds for a Sky TV subscription - with movies, 200 cigarettes and 24 cans of lager a week.

They clearly go without in other areas - they have no car and don't go on holiday every year (although many other people don't either!), but it seems obvious to me that if people are able to be in receipt of the equivalent of a respectable salary (30k is way more than I earn) without, in theory, having to leave the house or even get up in the morning, then we will end up with generations upon generations of families who will simply choose not to work. Cutting benefits so that people can no longer afford to use them to fund Sky TV, 24 cans of lager and 200 fags a week may be the start needed.
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post Feb 1 2012, 03:25 PM
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Agree, I saw this and was thinking exactly the same...sorry but a good chunk of your money goes on booze and tobbaco...They have £585 a week or something, regardless of them being unable to understand the concept of contraception, that's a little over 4 times what I have a week to live on (and I work for it!!!) and I can get by, even with buying stupid bits for my car. rolleyes.gif

Cut their benefits, I agree. Maybe it'll teach them to be more choice with their spending. Also Mr Software Engineer should know that in IT it's evolve or die - being a software developer, if you know C# or C++ or some other coding format you can easily (well, relatively) learn to code other things which means you could get a job.
Work is hard to find especially in specialised sectors but it's out there if you want it.
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post Feb 1 2012, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 1 2012, 03:25 PM) *
...being a software developer, if you know C# or C++ or some other coding format you can easily (well, relatively) learn to code other things which means you could get a job.
Work is hard to find especially in specialised sectors but it's out there if you want it.


This is what struck me too. He's been out of work for ten years, but if he came from a job where he was writing educational software then it's straightforward enough to learn to code another language. And there is work out there for good developers.

However, if you have decided that the only thing you're ever going to do is write educational software, and you've decided that you'll wait until exactly the same type of job comes along that pays more than the £30k in benefits that you're currently receiving - well, I can see why you could be out of work for ten years.

The other thing, and I'll admit it's just my opinion, is that I don't think this is a family that was chosen as an example of people milking the system. I'd be willing to bet that this kind of set-up is widespread.

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- massifheed   Proposed benefit cuts   Feb 1 2012, 02:17 PM
- - Bloggo   QUOTE (massifheed @ Feb 1 2012, 02:17 PM)...   Feb 1 2012, 02:30 PM
- - xjay1337   Agree, I saw this and was thinking exactly the sam...   Feb 1 2012, 03:25 PM
- - stewiegriffin   Agree completely, they could and should have their...   Feb 1 2012, 04:21 PM
- - blackdog   Looking at the article it is easy enough to get wo...   Feb 1 2012, 07:39 PM
|- - xjay1337   QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 1 2012, 07:39 PM) L...   Feb 1 2012, 08:09 PM
||- - blackdog   QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 1 2012, 08:09 PM) S...   Feb 2 2012, 01:15 AM
||- - xjay1337   QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 2 2012, 01:15 AM) I...   Feb 2 2012, 02:19 AM
||- - TallDarkAndHandsome   I feel so sorry for this family. I think there ben...   Feb 2 2012, 08:54 AM
||- - massifheed   QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 2 2012, 02:19 AM) B...   Feb 2 2012, 09:26 AM
||- - blackdog   QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 2 2012, 02:19 AM) N...   Feb 2 2012, 05:51 PM
||- - xjay1337   QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 2 2012, 05:51 PM) I...   Feb 2 2012, 06:49 PM
|- - massifheed   QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 1 2012, 07:39 PM) U...   Feb 1 2012, 08:20 PM
- - Andy Capp   "I see eight people here having to choose bet...   Feb 1 2012, 08:44 PM
- - NWNREADER   I've never been on benefits. What is the tax ...   Feb 1 2012, 09:32 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 1 2012, 09:32 PM) ...   Feb 1 2012, 10:03 PM
- - Strafin   Nope, they will probably be getting all that too. ...   Feb 1 2012, 10:07 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 1 2012, 10:07 PM) No...   Feb 1 2012, 10:18 PM
- - NWNREADER   If benefits are 'cash in hand', how much w...   Feb 1 2012, 10:54 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 1 2012, 10:54 PM) ...   Feb 1 2012, 11:03 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 1 2012, 10:54 PM) ...   Feb 2 2012, 09:44 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 2 2012, 09:44 PM) ...   Feb 2 2012, 09:49 PM
- - NWNREADER   'It'? 'Reckless'? You mean the m...   Feb 2 2012, 10:10 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 2 2012, 10:10 PM) ...   Feb 2 2012, 10:56 PM
- - JeffG   I would have gone for the children thing myself, e...   Feb 3 2012, 09:59 AM
|- - xjay1337   QUOTE (JeffG @ Feb 3 2012, 09:59 AM) I wo...   Feb 3 2012, 04:02 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 3 2012, 04:02 PM) F...   Feb 5 2012, 10:40 AM
- - NWNREADER   Found this in the Oxford Mail The vox pop comment...   Feb 4 2012, 01:49 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 4 2012, 01:49 PM) ...   Feb 4 2012, 03:12 PM
- - Strafin   Actually it's 8 children from two marriages, s...   Feb 5 2012, 11:51 AM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 5 2012, 11:51 AM) Ac...   Feb 5 2012, 12:32 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 5 2012, 11:51 AM) Ac...   Feb 5 2012, 04:16 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 5 2012, 04:16 PM) I...   Feb 5 2012, 04:26 PM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 5 2012, 04:26 PM) ...   Feb 5 2012, 06:25 PM
- - xjay1337   How would people feel about imposing a limit on ch...   Feb 6 2012, 11:53 AM
|- - blackdog   QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Feb 6 2012, 11:53 AM) H...   Feb 6 2012, 04:42 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 6 2012, 04:42 PM) I...   Feb 6 2012, 06:28 PM
- - EvieG2017   QUOTE (massifheed @ Feb 1 2012, 02:17 PM)...   Dec 11 2017, 12:02 PM
- - Andy Capp   Yes,there are some scroungers, but not just at the...   Dec 11 2017, 03:13 PM
- - newres   This family with 7 children is an extreme example,...   Dec 11 2017, 03:40 PM
- - Turin Machine   If you cap those abusing the system there will be ...   Dec 11 2017, 05:38 PM
- - SirWilliam   Funnily enough I was debating this very subject wi...   Dec 11 2017, 06:45 PM
- - On the edge   This is all pretty old stuff; look at the start da...   Dec 12 2017, 06:57 AM
- - Andy Capp   Benefit scroungers are small fry in cash terms, bu...   Dec 12 2017, 09:59 AM
- - Mr Brown   From time immemorial, just do sufficient to keep t...   Dec 16 2017, 08:59 AM
- - SirWilliam   QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Dec 16 2017, 08:59 AM) ...   Dec 16 2017, 09:15 AM
- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Dec 16 2017, 08:59 AM) ...   Dec 16 2017, 09:41 AM


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