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Jan 8 2011, 12:56 PM
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QUOTE (Bofem @ Jan 7 2011, 08:38 PM) I was thinking this the other day while stuck in traffic on A4 between Newbury and Thatcham. Mostly, it's two lanes all the way, so WBC want to turn that into a bus lane. There are 7 buses an hour between the two towns.
Persuading people to dump the car, walk to a bus stop, wait in the rain, sit next to some ropey strangers, then walk to work/shops/whatever at other end needs a lot of persuasion....I can afford not to do it. But for how long?
Car-sharing would be much more achievable. Incentivised rather than penalised, people always respond better. So instead of a bus lane, it could be a multiple occupancy lane, like they have in Holland. Love to know where you get 7 buses an hour between Newbury and Thatcham? Most I can find is 4 and of these only 1 goes around the area I live in.
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Jan 8 2011, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2011, 09:41 AM) I know I've said it before but this really grates on me................. We were told ten or more years ago that the by-pass would "sort out our traffic". It did, then everyone decided to use their car more. The more roads you build the more people will use their cars. That's just how it works.
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Jan 8 2011, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 8 2011, 03:16 PM) It did, then everyone decided to use their car more. The more roads you build the more people will use their cars. That's just how it works. Yet more people than ever before use trains! Prices are going up there as well.
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Jan 8 2011, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 8 2011, 07:16 PM) Its not more car use its more cars. Always amazes me that no one, least of all those responsible for the infrastructure have actually noticed that Newbury and its environs have experienced massive growth since the by pass was opened. This should have been anticipated, planned for and delivered - after all its no massive surprise - we spend thousands creating 'local developmentr plans'. However,for the past 20 years our local Council has been stuck in a time warp - assuming Newbury is just a quaint old market town. All those new houses mean all those new cars... On the one hand the Labour government ordered more houses to to be built, on the other some vocal locals moaned that Newbury is a small market town. The result it what we have now.
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Jan 8 2011, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 8 2011, 07:19 PM) On the one hand the Labour government ordered more houses to to be built, on the other some vocal locals moan that Newbury is a small market town. The result it what we have now. That's a pretty good summary. We had no choice about the development - Councillors pandering to the local Ned Ludd tendancy hasn't helped!
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Jan 8 2011, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 8 2011, 04:16 PM) It did, then everyone decided to use their car more.
The more roads you build the more people will use their cars. That's just how it works. Exactly!
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Jan 8 2011, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2011, 08:26 PM) Exactly! Errr no. Its more people, if we hadn't had to build all those new houses, traffic levels would have reduced when the bypass opened and stayed reduced. The A34 itself had a traffic increase, occassioned by releasing the pent up demand for Southampton docks access to the North. The only time a road generated traffic was the M1 - when it opened, it became a tourist attraction for a short time. Do you honestly know anyone locally who has increased the number of car trips they make simply because the by pass has opened? I do know several people who have recently moved here bringing their cars with them. I also know a couple who now use a car because the local bus service has reduced its already poor service. The self generation of traffic story is an urban myth,
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Jan 8 2011, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 8 2011, 10:36 PM) Errr no. Its more people, if we hadn't had to build all those new houses, traffic levels would have reduced when the bypass opened and stayed reduced. The A34 itself had a traffic increase, occassioned by releasing the pent up demand for Southampton docks access to the North. The only time a road generated traffic was the M1 - when it opened, it became a tourist attraction for a short time. Do you honestly know anyone locally who has increased the number of car trips they make simply because the by pass has opened? I do know several people who have recently moved here bringing their cars with them. I also know a couple who now use a car because the local bus service has reduced its already poor service. The self generation of traffic story is an urban myth, Nope, if you create the space then it will be filled. Like the M25 - now a traffic jam most of the day but where was all the traffic before it was built?
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Jan 9 2011, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 8 2011, 11:30 PM) Nope, if you create the space then it will be filled.
Like the M25 - now a traffic jam most of the day but where was all the traffic before it was built? Stationary round the then North and South 'circulars' and in railway waggons. The traffic was always there. Just that the planners 'understated' the volume for political reasons. The engineers knew it was too small even before the first sod was cut. One can understand the reasons for this - can you imagine what the nay sayers would have done if they'd planned for reality - an 8 lane motorway? By way of example - if we had a proper transport link with Basingstoke, the traffic on the existing cart track would increase significantly as people took up the opportunities the proper link would provide. Like jobs but hey who wants them!
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Jan 9 2011, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 8 2011, 09:36 PM) The A34 itself had a traffic increase, occassioned by releasing the pent up demand for Southampton docks access to the North. The self generation of traffic story is an urban myth, bollocks
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Jan 9 2011, 01:27 PM
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Not necessarily complete rubbish: Cruise shipsand Container TerminalDoubtless these two facilities have some impact on the A34 traffic patterns.
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Jan 9 2011, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 9 2011, 12:29 PM) bollocks Not a politician then Danny? Man of few words - but at least straight to the point - no ambiguity with that then!
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Jan 9 2011, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 9 2011, 12:29 PM) bollocks Is this a medical problem of yours then? Or are you actually complaining or boasting?
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