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post Feb 13 2019, 10:59 AM
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That doesn't demonstrate a tangible benefit though. Just shows that politicians can and do all look after their own.
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post Feb 13 2019, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 13 2019, 10:59 AM) *
That doesn't demonstrate a tangible benefit though. Just shows that politicians can and do all look after their own.

There isn't one. You can see from the above exchanges how illogical it all is. The people are the wealthy elite with their Range Rovers, yachts and board positions, but they haven't got a coherent argument for Brexit between them.
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post Feb 13 2019, 12:16 PM
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It's an oft-quoted thing. "Those who actively seek responsibility are almost certainly going to use it for twattery and should be denied it". Probably Abraham Lincoln or Morgan Freeman. Or Twitter.


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post Feb 13 2019, 12:21 PM
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Did you vote leave JSC ? You don't have to say of course, I am just curious. Especially with your French moniker.
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post Feb 13 2019, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 13 2019, 12:21 PM) *
Did you vote leave JSC ? You don't have to say of course, I am just curious. Especially with your French moniker.

Actually, now someone actually bothered to ask, no, I didn't, I voted stay. However, if we had a second vote I might vote leave, I've got a contract with a French customer up for renewal this year that might fall through if we go 'no deal' but I'll face that if it happens. What I'm really in more interested in is that over 17 million voters voted leave and yet that is deemed irrelevant to some people. It's a matter of democracy in my eyes, something citizens of this country have laid down their lives for. It's important.


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post Feb 13 2019, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 13 2019, 01:27 PM) *
Actually, now someone actually bothered to ask, no, I didn't, I voted stay. However, if we had a second vote I might vote leave, I've got a contract with a French customer up for renewal this year that might fall through if we go 'no deal' but I'll face that if it happens. What I'm really in more interested in is that over 17 million voters voted leave and yet that is deemed irrelevant to some people. It's a matter of democracy in my eyes, something citizens of this country have laid down their lives for. It's important.

In that case you should accept that it was a snapshot vote on that day. There were lies told and there were protest votes (I know one person who voted leave but wanted to remain but give Cameron a bloody nose). The truly democratic thing would be a final vote on the deal or remain. Polls indicate 56% would vote remain now.
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post Feb 13 2019, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 02:56 PM) *
In that case you should accept that it was a snapshot vote on that day. There were lies told and there were protest votes (I know one person who voted leave but wanted to remain but give Cameron a bloody nose). The truly democratic thing would be a final vote on the deal or remain. Polls indicate 56% would vote remain now.


Nope, we had a vote, that's it, you can't keep the rerunning it just because you don't like the results. That way chaos lies, the result was arrived at democratically and like it or not it should be respected.


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post Feb 13 2019, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 02:56 PM) *
In that case you should accept that it was a snapshot vote on that day. There were lies told and there were protest votes (I know one person who voted leave but wanted to remain but give Cameron a bloody nose). The truly democratic thing would be a final vote on the deal or remain. Polls indicate 56% would vote remain now.


Ok but can we have another vote if remain only win by a bit?
I mean.. we need to be consistent.
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post Feb 13 2019, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 02:56 PM) *
In that case you should accept that it was a snapshot vote on that day. There were lies told and there were protest votes (I know one person who voted leave but wanted to remain but give Cameron a bloody nose). The truly democratic thing would be a final vote on the deal or remain. Polls indicate 56% would vote remain now.


If you are of the belief that the great unwashed voted leave because of the rantings of Farage/Johnson/daily wail then you are as deluded as the ***** that think we will change our minds if they keep banging on about it. We voted leave because it was patently obvious that our politicians were more concerned with jollys with their EU counterparts than looking after the interests of the many. Oh the media threw the immigration stick into the pot because it suited vested interest to label leavers as right wing racists, (ring any bells?), but the vote would have been exactly the same had it been conducted 20 years earlier so even though you may consider it a folly, 17 million can't all be obtuse troglodytes with an iq of 4.5, so accept it graciously.

"If you do not like the answer then why ask the question?" seems appropriate. rolleyes.gif


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post Feb 13 2019, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 13 2019, 03:58 PM) *
Ok but can we have another vote if remain only win by a bit?
I mean.. we need to be consistent.

Here's where it gets interesting of course, one of the 'reasons' we should vote again is because, and I quote " there is a whole slice of the voting public who weren't old enough to vote at the time, they should have a say!". Ok, so shall we have a referendum every year then? Because the logic (if you can call it that) holds true, there will be another slice next year, and the year after, ad infinitum. Nonsense logic, but some trot it out.


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post Feb 13 2019, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 13 2019, 04:54 PM) *
Here's where it gets interesting of course, one of the 'reasons' we should vote again is because, and I quote " there is a whole slice of the voting public who weren't old enough to vote at the time, they should have a say!". Ok, so shall we have a referendum every year then? Because the logic (if you can call it that) holds true, there will be another slice next year, and the year after, ad infinitum. Nonsense logic, but some trot it out.

You missed the bit about all the old gits that died. laugh.gif
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post Feb 13 2019, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 06:03 PM) *
You missed the bit about all the old gits that died. laugh.gif


Thanks for reminding me. smile.gif


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post Feb 13 2019, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 13 2019, 06:25 PM) *
Thanks for reminding me. smile.gif

What are you moaning about? Youíre still here. tongue.gif
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post Feb 13 2019, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 06:03 PM) *
You missed the bit about all the old gits that died. laugh.gif

The funny thing is the average age of a UK citizen has risen since brexit. It is rising all the time and is now 40. So the whole argument is completely flawed.
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post Feb 13 2019, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 13 2019, 07:01 PM) *
The funny thing is the average age of a UK citizen has risen since brexit. It is rising all the time and is now 40. So the whole argument is completely flawed.

People are more educated though. More graduates.
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post Feb 13 2019, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 07:18 PM) *
People are more educated though. More graduates.

Graduates? Educated? You mean brain washed.🤣 They soon learn and become gammony as they age.🤣🤣🤣
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post Feb 13 2019, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 13 2019, 07:40 PM) *
Graduates? Educated? You mean brain washed.🤣 They soon learn and become gammony as they age.🤣🤣🤣

Graduates in what? media studies? gender Studies? (yes that's a real thing) There always The Mc University of course. Jeez save us from this endless stream of mediocrity.


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post Feb 13 2019, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 13 2019, 07:51 PM) *
Graduates in what? media studies? gender Studies? (yes that's a real thing) There always The Mc University of course. Jeez save us from this endless stream of mediocrity.

Does it matter? Any discipline to degree level is surely better than no education? It means they are beyond O' & A' level. Media studies, if it means training in critically assessing what the media is telling us is surely entirely useful in the current left/right MSM/Non MSM debate. No?

Have you got a degree? What's your degree in?
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post Feb 13 2019, 09:05 PM
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Sales n marketing. Followed by two year course (evenings) business studies.


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post Feb 13 2019, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 13 2019, 08:57 PM) *
Does it matter? Any discipline to degree level is surely better than no education? It means they are beyond O' & A' level. Media studies, if it means training in critically assessing what the media is telling us is surely entirely useful in the current left/right MSM/Non MSM debate. No?

Have you got a degree? What's your degree in?

In my view University should be for the top 10 percent of students who' show academic prowess. The rest should get a job or an apprenticeship (And yes serious investment should be made in vocational apprenticeships). University is seen as some sort of "right of passage" now and the old poly's are all 'Universities". For a lot it's just a 3 or 4 year jolly where they do 5 hours a week, end up with a 2 2 and 50k of debt that they will never have a job well paid enough to pay back. Crock of sh1t.
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