Newbury's CCTV Options

[Iommi]

KPIs are usually designed to be achieved, so are rarely that useful.

'better value' can only understood looking forward, so I'm not sure you're right there. What you must have meant therefore, is we have the cheaper option, not necessarily better value. Value can only be determined by 'bang-for-back', so to speak, but KPIs can help determine what is better value. If we don't know what we are meant to achieve then this is all a waste of time (and money).

[NWNREADER]

I should've said 'government KPIs.........'

Business ones are different as they are subject to more intense scrutiny as to value.

Name any Government scheme that has not been measured as an astounding success by the Party of the moment, yet is clearly a pile of pants to any other observer?

[Iommi]

I should've said 'government KPIs.........' Business ones are different as they are subject to more intense scrutiny as to value. Name any Government scheme that has not been measured as an astounding success by the Party of the moment, yet is clearly a pile of pants to any other observer?

So what you seem to be saying is, to 'them', it is not how good something is, just so-long as they are seen to be doing something. If I'm right, then I agree with you, but it means we have a long way to go before we see efficient changes.

The illusion of democracy.

[user23]

Name any Government scheme that has not been measured as an astounding success by the Party of the moment, yet is clearly a pile of pants to any other observer?

How about the NIS, formerly the BVPI?

[Simon Kirby]

I should've said 'government KPIs.........'

Business ones are different as they are subject to more intense scrutiny as to value.

Name any Government scheme that has not been measured as an astounding success by the Party of the moment, yet is clearly a pile of pants to any other observer?

The only KPI that means anything to government, local and national, is the vote, and that should be a good thing except we're not always well informed, and we don't always make rational decisions. With CCTV I suspect whatever the objective success, the conservatives will want more, and the libertarians will want less.

[Iommi]

This goes back to what I have said before. We might have rubbish in government because we are rubbish at electing the right people. I also think we expect far too much, but are not prepared to pay for it.

[Simon Kirby]

This goes back to what I have said before. We might have rubbish in government because we are rubbish at electing the right people. I also think we expect far too much, but are not prepared to pay for it.

I couldn't agree more. You get the democracy you deserve.

[NWNREADER]

So what you seem to be saying is, to 'them', it is not how good something is, just so-long as they are seen to be doing something. If I'm right, then I agree with you, but it means we have a long way to go before we see efficient changes.

The illusion of democracy.

Exactly - grand input must equate to value outcome.

[NWNREADER]

How about the NIS, formerly the BVPI?

The problem with NIS is the Government of the day changes the measures, collection methods, parameters at will. NAO is not independant
NAO

[Iommi]

I've heard it through the grapevine that there are no pictures currently being recorded in Windsor with our super duper hi-def cameras we've got in Newbury. Allegedly it is difficult to get conformation as quite understandably, WBC are keeping schtum over the rumoured balls-up.

A 'good' time for Newbury's finest to fill their boots perhaps?

[user23]

A 'good' time for Newbury's finest to fill their boots perhaps?

Why would the Police fill their boots? I don't follow.

[Iommi]

Why would the Police fill their boots? I don't follow.

I was being ironic. If Newbury's CCTV system is not recording, as has been alleged, then now would the time for the local crims to go without fear of being recorded by them. It doesn't take much to 'smoke you out'!

[Squelchy]

http://www.newbury.net/forum/m-1293041819/s-/s-new/#num36 reply number 36

[Iommi]

http://www.newbury.net/forum/m-1293041819/s-/s-new/#num36 reply number 36

And your point is?

On that thread is an alleged response to an email.

Pamela Bale:pbale@westberks.gov.uk: "It is my understanding that there was no radio link to the CCTV control room in Newbury from the Shop safe scheme."

Seems a rather non-committal response. Either there is, or there is not. Given here resources, surely it wouldn't be hard for her to find out?

[Biker1]

And your point is?

On that thread is an alleged response to an email.

Pamela Bale:pbale@westberks.gov.uk: "It is my understanding that there was no radio link to the CCTV control room in Newbury from the Shop safe scheme."

Seems a rather non-committal response. Either there is, or there is not. Given here resources, surely it wouldn't be hard for her to find out?

There was - there isn't now.

[Iommi]

There was - there isn't now.

Cllr Pamela Bale's response doesn't necessarily agree.

[user23]

There was - there isn't now.

By "radio link" do you mean base station and mast with a permanent operator, or a walkie talkie that may be switched on some of the time?

I'm guessing if it's the latter it wouldn't be considered a proper radio link such as the police or other emergency services use.

[Richard Garvie]

Without getting into detail on Pubwatch, the control room always had contact with head door staff at all venues in Newbury before the move. This is now not the case, but is expected to be restored early 2011. Apparently this was always the plan. The real concern would be that even if there was a radio link, what difference would it make if Windsor can't control the cameras (those that are working)?

[Richard Garvie]

It would appear that a gagging order has now been put on the CCTV Control Room at Windsor. They are not allowed to discuss Newbury with anyone who calls. A trader rang me and told me that, so to test the theory I rang the control room and guess what? They can't talk about Newbury. Why the cloak and dagger approach yet again? Rather than apologise, it's now gone into lock down mode!!!

[user23]

It would appear that a gagging order has now been put on the CCTV Control Room at Windsor. They are not allowed to discuss Newbury with anyone who calls. A trader rang me and told me that, so to test the theory I rang the control room and guess what? They can't talk about Newbury. Why the cloak and dagger approach yet again? Rather than apologise, it's now gone into lock down mode!!!

Would be great for local criminals if they could, "Hi, could you tell me which cameras in Newbury might not be working? It's just I'm doing a bit of thieving this afternoon and would rather not get caught".