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post Feb 8 2011, 11:36 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-north...nshire-12388964

This is a disgrace. Who does she think she is assaulting those poor young men? I assume she will be charged with assault. She is obviously a danger to the Public.

Throw away the key - thats what I say!
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post Feb 8 2011, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 8 2011, 11:36 AM) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-north...nshire-12388964

This is a disgrace. Who does she think she is assaulting those poor young men? I assume she will be charged with assault. She is obviously a danger to the Public.

Throw away the key - thats what I say!

What a brave woman. I hope the Jewellers give her a reward and that the crooks get a long jail sentence.


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post Feb 8 2011, 12:19 PM
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Yes she was brave but also very stupid, she could of got herself killed and the shop would have insurance for anything stolen. I understand people who defend themselves/attack robbers in their own shop - their livelyhood - but to intefere in something which could of ended up in her death was rather silly.

Still, I hope she does get something as a reward.
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post Feb 8 2011, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 8 2011, 12:19 PM) *
Yes she was brave but also very stupid, she could of got herself killed and the shop would have insurance for anything stolen. I understand people who defend themselves/attack robbers in their own shop - their livelyhood - but to intefere in something which could of ended up in her death was rather silly.

Still, I hope she does get something as a reward.


I may have said in jest that she should be arrested for assault. The sad thing is it's likely to happen. blink.gif
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post Feb 8 2011, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 8 2011, 12:35 PM) *
I may have said in jest that she should be arrested for assault. The sad thing is it's likely to happen. blink.gif


It's happened many times before!
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post Feb 8 2011, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 8 2011, 12:35 PM) *
I may have said in jest that she should be arrested for assault. The sad thing is it's likely to happen. blink.gif

No, there is absolutely no possibility that she would be prosecuted for assault. Every citizen is entitled to use reasonable force to prevent crime, and in the circumstances a very great deal more force than an old lady with a handbag could muster would have been reasonable (see here).

This is an awesome example of the self-sacrificing goodness and morality that is still very much alive in people and I'm humbled and deeply moved that such courage is still alive. She wasn't even caught up in it, she actually put herself in harm's way while everyone else stood and watched. She's an amazing woman and I hope she gets the George Cross for her efforts. What an example.

Do we know her name yet?


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post Feb 8 2011, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 8 2011, 12:35 PM) *
I may have said in jest that she should be arrested for assault. The sad thing is it's likely to happen. blink.gif
QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 8 2011, 12:45 PM) *
It's happened many times before!

The police are not judge and jury; they have an obligation to follow-up a complaint. I think it is better that way.
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post Feb 8 2011, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 8 2011, 12:19 PM) *
Yes she was brave but also very stupid, she could of got herself killed and the shop would have insurance for anything stolen. I understand people who defend themselves/attack robbers in their own shop - their livelyhood - but to intefere in something which could of ended up in her death was rather silly.

Still, I hope she does get something as a reward.


I'm speechless.

No-one knows what they would do when confronted by a situation. Otherwise brave folk run away, wee minnows bite back like an angry shark. To roundly criticise someone for being courageous in the face of wrongdoing is not part of my way of seeing things. Crims rely on bystanders doing nothing, declining to make statements, attend Court.

And then the Police officers come under the spotlight for failing to take offenders to Court.......
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post Feb 8 2011, 01:44 PM
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From what I've seen of it, they weren't exactly hardened criminals. They couldn't ever ride a moped without falling off.

I think the store need to have a look at their shutters. Hardly a rapid closing.
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post Feb 8 2011, 01:44 PM
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From what I've seen of it, they weren't exactly hardened criminals. They couldn't ever ride a moped without falling off.

I think the store need to have a look at their shutters. Hardly a rapid closing.
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post Feb 8 2011, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 8 2011, 01:37 PM) *
I'm speechless.

No-one knows what they would do when confronted by a situation. Otherwise brave folk run away, wee minnows bite back like an angry shark. To roundly criticise someone for being courageous in the face of wrongdoing is not part of my way of seeing things. Crims rely on bystanders doing nothing, declining to make statements, attend Court.

And then the Police officers come under the spotlight for failing to take offenders to Court.......


Speechless you may be from my comments, but I do not think she should of done it - for her own safety. Don't get me wrong, she was brave and courageous, but I don't think her family would be thinking that if she got seriously hurt.
I don't think anyone should get involved in a situations like this, BUT If anyone should of been defending off the criminals it should of been the people in the store - not some random lady in the street putting herself in danger. Admittedly, from what I have read, the criminals weren't exactly the smartest ones around, but it should be left to the police to catch them. Like I said earlier, the lady put herself in danger when the shop wasn't prepared to and they work there. They had insurance, and the jewellery would of most likely been recoverd in the end.

If the lady was stopping an assualt/abuse - then I would applaued her, but *I* do not think we should put ourselves in danger for material things - it is just not worth it (all though she was lucky and unhurt in this case)

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post Feb 8 2011, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 8 2011, 02:27 PM) *
Speechless you may be from my comments, but I do not think she should of done it - for her own safety. Don't get me wrong, she was brave and courageous, but I don't think her family would be thinking that if she got seriously hurt.
I don't think anyone should get involved in a situations like this, BUT If anyone should of been defending off the criminals it should of been the people in the store - not some random lady in the street putting herself in danger. Admittedly, from what I have read, the criminals weren't exactly the smartest ones around, but it should be left to the police to catch them. Like I said earlier, the lady put herself in danger when the shop wasn't prepared to and they work there. They had insurance, and the jewellery would of most likely been recoverd in the end.

If the lady was stopping an assualt/abuse - then I would applaued her, but *I* do not think we should put ourselves in danger for material things - it is just not worth it (all though she was lucky and unhurt in this case)

All people regardless of age, physical ability or sex respond to this sort of situation in differing ways and many will respond in a positve manner to foil the attack/robbery out of pure instinct.
They leap in with all guns blazing in the heat of the moment with scant concern for their own safety whilst others will turn and walk away pretending they have not seen anything.
The brave ones may be ill-advised to take the action they do however without them the world would be a sadder place and they deserve our respect and applause for their actions.
Those that walk away may be more sensible but sometimes you just have to do the right thing.



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post Feb 8 2011, 03:23 PM
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Think of what our country would be like if we all had this lady's courage to stand up for what is right. If whole streets got together we could eliminate anti social behaviour for a start. Thugs are basically bully boys they do anti social things because they think they can get away with it. A few months ago a disabled lady was attacked on a crowded bus. Would this bully have acted the way he did if he thought the whole bus would turn on him? Our daily lives would be a little better if we did not turn our backs on crime.
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post Feb 8 2011, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (Jayjay @ Feb 8 2011, 03:23 PM) *
Think of what our country would be like if we all had this lady's courage to stand up for what is right. If whole streets got together we could eliminate anti social behaviour for a start. Thugs are basically bully boys they do anti social things because they think they can get away with it. A few months ago a disabled lady was attacked on a crowded bus. Would this bully have acted the way he did if he thought the whole bus would turn on him? Our daily lives would be a little better if we did not turn our backs on crime.


I agree with you but would we not all be called vigilantes if this were the case?
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post Feb 8 2011, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 8 2011, 03:33 PM) *
I agree with you but would we not all be called vigilantes if this were the case?

If one person or a group of people exert "reasonable force" that is comparable to the crime being commited such that innocent people and property are being protected then I don't see that there would be a case to answer as vigilantes.


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post Feb 8 2011, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Feb 8 2011, 03:41 PM) *
If one person or a group of people exert "reasonable force" that is comparable to the crime being commited such that innocent people and property are being protected then I don't see that there would be a case to answer as vigilantes.


Vigilante - a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

Surely this is the same as above?
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post Feb 8 2011, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 8 2011, 03:46 PM) *
Vigilante - a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

Surely this is the same as above?

Yes, I know what you mean but the lady concerned did not engage in "law enforcement", she responded to and tried to stop a crime taking place.
There are a lot of fine lines and blurred boundaries here but the essence is that ordinary people should "have a go" and hope that the police and the law support them.
Sadly this has not always been the case and accounts for people walking away from such events.


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post Feb 8 2011, 05:39 PM
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I think she'll do 5-10 years..... Her attack was pre-meditated, prolonged and she even caused an RTA. Her weapon of choice cunningly disguised as a handbag was in fact 2kg of wool, half a dozen sharp knitting needles, some Polygrip Ultra, a couple of packs of Murray mints and a pension book. Once the police arrest this miserable violent thug they'll probably find there's also some hazardous chemicals in there too.. Imagine the pain she could have inflicted if she had reached for the Ralgex spray or Fiery Jack!


Take her down...... Age is no excuse for this sort of vicious crime...

(Well done Super-Gran.... wink.gif )
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post Feb 8 2011, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE (spartacus @ Feb 8 2011, 05:39 PM) *
I think she'll do 5-10 years..... Her attack was pre-meditated, prolonged and she even caused an RTA. Her weapon of choice cunningly disguised as a handbag was in fact 2kg of wool, half a dozen sharp knitting needles, some Polygrip Ultra, a couple of packs of Murray mints and a pension book. Once the police arrest this miserable violent thug they'll probably find there's also some hazardous chemicals in there too.. Imagine the pain she could have inflicted if she had reached for the Ralgex spray or Fiery Jack!


Take her down...... Age is no excuse for this sort of vicious crime...

(Well done Super-Gran.... wink.gif )


You git!!

You now owe me a new keyboard. laugh.gif
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