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[Iommi]

England has the HIGHEST rate of violent crime now in the World.
We are above South Africa and Columbia. At least we come first in something.......

I don't think this is true, or at very least, it is misleading, but I am not saying we haven't a problem.

[GMR]

I've lived on Turnpike for over 30 years - brought my family up here - and it is the worst I've seen it in all that time. Police unable to do anything, or won't do anything and youths damaging property all the time.

Vandals damaged the light post outside the community centre; when i asked the police what they are doing about it they said they knew who did it but they have no proof. Well, if they knew who did it how come they've got no proof? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[Hugh Saskin]

England has the HIGHEST rate of violent crime now in the World.
We are above South Africa and Columbia.

At least we come first in something.......

Can you state your sources, please? If true, I don't think I want to leave the house much again

[Iommi]

Can you state your sources, please? If true, I don't think I want to leave the house much again

Bare in mind the source.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11...Africa-U-S.html

[Hugh Saskin]

Bare in mind the source.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11...Africa-U-S.html

Thanks, I always believe everything printed in the Daily Mail

[GMR]

Thanks, I always believe everything printed in the Daily Mail

if it is in the mail it has got to be true... they would never lie to us

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Actually this was my source....

http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/...rime_in_Britain

[Bloggo]

Bare in mind the source.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11...Africa-U-S.html

I get your point but would you rather believe the Governments figures then?

[GMR]

Actually this was my source....

http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/...rime_in_Britain

I can believe that. The police don't seem to be able to do anything and the ordinary citizens seem to suffer.

[GMR]

I get your point but would you rather believe the Governments figures then?

i wouldn't believe the government as they have been known to massage the figures. I would rather trust the Mail or some other tabloid paper than I would the government.

[Bloggo]

I don't think this is true, or at very least, it is misleading, but I am not saying we haven't a problem.

I disagree. I think it likely that it is true.
Too many people have their head in the sand and are not seeing the social breakdown that is very slowly happening in this country.
There are lots of figures published that point to a decline in social standards and icreased crime levels.
How about the reported 1000 criminals, murders and rapists allowed out on bail and disappearing and the goverment does not know where they are or how to get them back in prison. What a mess!!!!

[JeffG]

i wouldn't believe the government as they have been known to massage the figures. I would rather trust the Mail or some other tabloid paper than I would the government.

Wow! I wouldn't have thought anyone could have such a low opinion of the government!

[Guest_noobree_*]

The thousands of South Africans who've moved to West Berks over the past few years must be feeling rather sick about all this. Or perhaps there's another agenda here? Flicking quickly through the pages at http://www.news24.com there appear to be quite a few stories which emphasise how bad things are overseas in comparison with the Shangri La that is South Africa. Could it be, perhaps, that they want to dissuade more rats from leaving the sinking ship?

Particularly with the replacement of the appalling (AIDS denier and general fantacist) Mbeki with the utterly dire (rapist, deeply corrupt) Zuma more and more whites will be planning to scarper.

Incidentally, isn't it typical of forums like this that they descend into negativity at the slightest provocation. Thousands of people had a great time on Sunday but you lot pick up on a single incident and spiral into a pit of despond. Good job Newbury Weekly News.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Extract from the News24 article..

'In turn, Dean from Cape Town wrote that the news about Britain's crime levels didn’t surprise him in the least, and that it was precisely for that reason that he moved to South Africa.

"I feel much safer walking down the streets of South Africa. Most of the crime that happens here is in Johannesburg."

People are moving to South Africa to get away from violent crime in Britain????? Enough said.

[Bloggo]

Wow! I wouldn't have thought anyone could have such a low opinion of the government!

Are you kidding, have you forgotten about how our "honourable members" have been ripping us off with fraudulant expenses claims?

[JeffG]

Are you kidding, have you forgotten about how our "honourable members" have been ripping us off with fraudulant expenses claims?

Bloggo, does the word "irony" mean anything to you? It was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the comment that he would trust the Daily Mail more than the government.

[Bloggo]

Bloggo, does the word "irony" mean anything to you? It was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the comment that he would trust the Daily Mail more than the government.

Sorry, I missed it. I'll try and do better.

[JeffG]

Sorry, I missed it. I'll try and do better.

[GMR]

Wow! I wouldn't have thought anyone could have such a low opinion of the government!

yeah, I see what you mean..... it is pretty rare that anybody would dream of criticising such sacred and loving government

[Iommi]

I disagree. I think it likely that it is true.

The problem I see with the article is that it is drawing from different sources which in themselves use different ways of collating data. In other words it is not very scientific.

e.g.

"The Daily Mail, however, was told by experts that the fact that "violence" is interpreted differently in different countries should be taken into account. For instance, where a disturbance is considered a violent offence under British law, in other countries such as South Africa, it's only considered a violent offence if someone is assaulted."

Too many people have their head in the sand and are not seeing the social breakdown that is very slowly happening in this country. There are lots of figures published that point to a decline in social standards and icreased crime levels.
How about the reported 1000 criminals, murders and rapists allowed out on bail and disappearing and the goverment does not know where they are or how to get them back in prison. What a mess!!!!

Social breakdown has been happening for 100s of years, the difference now is that we are 'force fed' this type of information 24/7, thus raising anxiety.

It does seem that the criminal element seem a lot more informed and mobile these days and this could be placed, in part, down to communication technology. People are a lot more versed with their 'rights' and how to be a nuisance.

Whether it is getting worse or not is debatable, but I remember what Turnpike estate, St George's Ave, Skylings and others used to be like. I remember being chased through Newbury in the mid 70s by a gang from the Waterside and hearing about the battle between the skinheads and bikers in the late 60s, etc. I remember living near a notorious Newbury 'thug' in the 70s and the Police were always 'very nice' to him, regardless, it seems, of what he did.