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Posted on: Sep 15 2017, 03:14 PM


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QUOTE (newres @ Sep 15 2017, 02:30 PM) *
Well there are a lot of arguments that could be made there, but imagine the British Government selling off Treasures from Northern Ireland during the troubles. "Legitimate" on the face of it, but it would be inappropriate to be selling off treasures (not that I can think of any).

Morally, they should be returned. And the Greeks argue that it wasn't a genuine sale I believe.


Depends what you mean by 'treasures' of course, I tend to think that a network of very useful pipes which have been running round London for many years a 'national treasure' and should not have been sold to foreign interests. The Indians are calling for the return of the Imperial State Crown which they 'gave' their Emperor at the turn of the last centuary. Presumably the Greeks will be willing to recompense nations disadvantaged when they themselves had imperial designs. So, where does one stop?

If it wasn't a genuine sale, then the Ottoman Empire did have a legal system just as we had. Litigation could have been commenced in either jurisdiction; no one is above the law.....or is it just the decisions they don't like!
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Posted on: Sep 15 2017, 01:07 PM


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QUOTE (newres @ Sep 15 2017, 12:21 PM) *
They were taken from Greece whilst it was occupied by the Turks. If I'd bought a bit of French property from the Nazis in WW2, should I not feel a moral duty to return it to the people the Nazis took it from?


Rather different situation; the Marbles were purchased by agreement from a legitimate civil authority in a time of peace. Rather like our dear Government selling off our assets at knock down prices back in the 1980s. Now, there's a thought, perhaps we should be demanding the return of our airports and such like back from their continental owners. laugh.gif
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Posted on: Sep 14 2017, 03:15 PM


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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 13 2017, 06:08 PM) *
If stone age man can, ( supposedly ), drag the wretched things all the way from Wales , a low loader should have no problem taking them back .

On a par with the Elgin marbles it's a wonder that the Welsh office hasn't already petitioned . We could throw in Avebury stones as a gesture of goodwill . rolleyes.gif


On the matter of the marbles, given the state of the Greek economy, now would be a good time to offer them a few bob to settle the sale question once and for all. We could do it via their EU bankers whilst we are still technically 'in' and knock it off our final settlement. Job done; triples all round.
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Posted on: Sep 14 2017, 11:28 AM


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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 14 2017, 09:02 AM) *
So why waste it on trivia like this ? angry.gif


It's a public service, so they have to spend it; what else could they do?
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Posted on: Sep 13 2017, 01:45 PM


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Surprises me that no one has suggested moving the stones.
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Posted on: Sep 12 2017, 04:00 PM


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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Sep 12 2017, 09:22 AM) *
That in itself does not mean it is a good place for men . rolleyes.gif Some of these research projects pose one serious question .

WHY ?


Presumably its because the sponsor, the BBC, like other public services is very short of money.
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Posted on: Sep 12 2017, 03:35 PM


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Can't see why Hungerford Town Council couldn't take over and run it with volunteers; that's the answer to everything else.
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Posted on: Sep 10 2017, 06:17 AM


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Sep 9 2017, 10:49 PM) *
Semi autonomous, semi autonomous. Do you know how these systems work?


Yes, I know exactly how they they work. However I suspect we are at cross purposes talking about different levels indeed types of technology. Semi autonomous is what we have today and in fairly common use. Autonomous is the future. In old terms, a bit like the difference between computing as data processing and as information technology; those heavily immersed in Data Processing found the potential and emergence of Information Technology very difficult to deal with.
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Posted on: Sep 9 2017, 07:08 PM


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Sep 9 2017, 06:06 PM) *
Thanks but I'll give it a miss, be full of people trying to sell unworkable EV's rather than look for fresh solutions. And as for low emissions Motorsports! Give me strength! Workable autonomous systems will require a full overhaul of Britains road network, and there's neither the will not the money to do that. Might work in the city but not West berks.


A pity; nonetheless there are workable autonomous systems already, albeit as far as public highways are concerned in beta testing. West Berkshire's road network will not prresent any problem not already encountered elsewhere.
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Posted on: Sep 9 2017, 08:26 AM


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 26 2017, 10:10 AM) *
Now this really is 'old news', when the car industry started to develop robotics for spot welding and for use in spray processes we were all told it was the end of the world, 'in twenty years the only people working will be the ones pushing buttons' was the universal wail! Unemployment has dropped since then, only the feckless, lazy dinosaur types got left behind. The rest of the world adapted.


If you are deeply interested this is a reasonable one:-
https://www.cenex-lcv.co.uk/news-media/pres...cv2017-seminars
As usual, particularly if you can get along to the fringe, or get some of the more advanced exhibitors on their own.
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Posted on: Aug 30 2017, 07:02 AM


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Well, consistent at least!

A great example of British engineering project management on display over the Bank Holiday, showcasing to World what we are like.

(Loved the excuse, if in doubt, blame it on the signals....)
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Posted on: Aug 29 2017, 05:46 PM


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QUOTE (Rdg @ Aug 29 2017, 09:30 AM) *
That only works as long as the inputs to those manufactured goods are from inside the UK, if they need to be imported then their price will rise due to the same exchange rate move and the only advantage to us will be the profit margin's change in value - as we import a lot of our food (not been self sufficient in that since before Napoleonic times) the price of food will rise and thus either the workers making those manufactured good will want a payrise (reducing the profit margin) or it will be the workers who take the hit as reduced living standards. Also as the lower paid you are the greater the % of your income spent on essentials (food and shelter) they will take a disproportionate hit due to those raised food prices (even our Bread is mainly made from imported Canadian Wheat as our commercial varieties are lower gluten content feed rather than milling grade)

So a falling pound only serves as a temporary boost to the economy - if we had a balance of trade surplus it would be a different story but........


Actually, all this does is put street lights on the road we were on as part of the EU. France and Germany in particular were making sure we had nothing to trade and hence they aren t exactly upset that we are leaving!

On a similar vein, apparently 'Brexit' is being blamed for a shortage of nurses. The NHS has relied on EU nurses for some time and they are starting to stop coming. What a surprise! Anyone have any clues as to why we've consistently failed to attract and retain UK staffs?

Frankly, In or Out, economically Britain's future is very bleak.
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Posted on: Aug 26 2017, 09:15 PM


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QUOTE (blackdog @ Aug 26 2017, 12:17 PM) *
Unemployment has dropped - but I wonder how much of this is down to government employment subsidies (tax credits) which make it easier for people to work part time. The figures are, to some extent, misleading - I wonder what they would look like if they converted the number of jobs to the number of full-time equivalents.


You aren't supposed to have noticed that! laugh.gif
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Posted on: Aug 26 2017, 09:13 PM


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 26 2017, 10:04 AM) *
Funny that, watched it last night, good report on TV, strange organic lump in the driving seat using the controls was a bit odd, but ah yes, realised it was a driver! I know rather more about semi autonomous vehicles than you do my old China.


You are right, I didn't see the news report on TV last night, so, yes, that must mean you know much more than I do. Please don't tell anyone or the cheques will stop coming!
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Posted on: Aug 26 2017, 09:09 PM


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 26 2017, 10:10 AM) *
Now this really is 'old news', when the car industry started to develop robotics for spot welding and for use in spray processes we were all told it was the end of the world, 'in twenty years the only people working will be the ones pushing buttons' was the universal wail! Unemployment has dropped since then, only the feckless, lazy dinosaur types got left behind. The rest of the world adapted.


Actually, the cry at the time was that the age of blue collar jobs was over and we'd have to get used to white collar 'brain work'. And, further, nuts and bolts jobs would be left to developing economies. Ironically, it was this threat that lead to the 50% of our kids should go to university an even more cruel irony is that we still assemble cars, but don't do the brain work. Even so, why haven't we fully automated the production lines for i.c.e. vehicles? Simply it costs time and money and with electric vehicles of a radically different design shortly coming on stream, the business case just doesn't stack up. Yes, the emerging world is adapting and you are right, like the dinosaur, we face extinction.
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Posted on: Aug 26 2017, 09:03 AM


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QUOTE (blackdog @ Aug 25 2017, 10:03 PM) *
You seem to think there were only two sides. If they had done as you suggest there would have been a dozen manifestos spread from those wanting a Republic of Europe to those wanting to repatriate any one who cannot prove 5 generations of British born ancestry. And half of them would think that they'd won. Pretty much the current situation.


Quite, but not really surprising given that for nigh on fourty years every populist wrong in our society has been blamed on 'Europe' making us do something or stopping us putting something right.
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Posted on: Aug 26 2017, 08:58 AM


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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 26 2017, 09:22 AM) *
Maybe we should escalate to the logical conclusion of replacing humans with robots . This would take the frailty of response out of most situations , assuming the software is "foolproof" . A robotic cyclist is unlikely to ride blindside of an HGV but equally would possess sufficient processor memory when driving a car to use a phone , control the kids and paint it's nails at the same time without causing havoc .

Next stop , robotic children...........now that's a thought tongue.gif


The Governor of the Bank of England has fairly recently warned that many more jobs than might be imagined will be automated in the next decade or so, leaving us with an interesting conundrum. How will many of us earn a realistic living? It's quite an interesting excercise to properly analyse our own jobs to see that it is possible.
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Posted on: Aug 26 2017, 06:30 AM


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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 26 2017, 06:42 AM) *
Wonder when they are going to introduce riderless bicycles?............................please!! tongue.gif

(Cause if they don't how are driverless cars / lorries going to cope wth them? Drivered ones cant!! laugh.gif )


Well, that started a while back, with brainless cyclists..... wink.gif

However, the key is, of course, speed of reaction, so bluntly, where it is wholly the cyclist or pedestrian's fault just as now, there will be injury. I suspect that I'm not alone in thinking that this will demonstrate that the cycling accident rate isn't wholly down to motorists meaning we won't be able to simply pretend the real issue doesn't exist.
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Posted on: Aug 26 2017, 06:19 AM


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 25 2017, 10:41 PM) *
What part of this
"Up to three lorries will travel in formation, with acceleration and braking controlled by the lead vehicle.
But the head of the AA said platoons raised safety concerns.
In the platoons, the lead vehicle will be controlled by a human driver and will communicate with the rest of the convoy wirelessly.
The following vehicles will be instructed to accelerate and brake by the lead vehicle, allowing the lorries to drive closer together than they could with human drivers.
did you miss.


The BBC isn't the only source of news or comment (thankfully) you need to see and understand rather more about this project.
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Posted on: Aug 25 2017, 09:22 PM


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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 25 2017, 07:30 PM) *
Still all controlled by the lead driver though, so if hes not paying attention we get three crashing instead of one. Carnage.


No, not controlled, observed would be a better term. The lead driver could be in a drug induced trance and it would make no difference. Ironically, if the 'driver' deliberately chose to override, then, yes, you'd have big trouble. Nothing new in people being worried about technology, in the 1830s there were predictions of carnage because trains went a bit faster than horses; all seems well today.
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Posted on: Aug 25 2017, 05:44 PM


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QUOTE (Rdg @ Aug 25 2017, 05:33 PM) *
The problem is (and i am a remain voter) that the Leave (and remain) campaign are made of several disparate groups, each has it's own "way forward" which leads to "no way forward". If things had been done sensibly then like the scottish Indy ref there should have been position papers and plans published pre referendum, a manifesto as it which both sides explained exactly what they planned or desired re customs union, single market, immigration, further Eu integration, Euro, euro expansion etc.

What we got instead was 2 loose affiliations of individuals spouting sound bites, the leave side's obviously sounded more appealing but neither side actually said what they wanted to do next, that has left us in the position where the side that "won" seem to have promised several things diametrically opposed to each other.

Whatever happens next a lot of people are going to feel betrayed (within and across the referendum sides) and sadly it looks like we will all be worse off for at least the short term (5-10 years)


A pretty fair assessment including the outlook. I strongly suspect that even if we now told Europe it was all a mistake and we'll stay, their welcoming arms would come with an unpleasant cost. We've really dropped one this time.
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Posted on: Aug 25 2017, 05:33 PM


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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 25 2017, 02:34 PM) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41038220

Sometimes I wish it was. In the sliding scale of bonkers this really is one in a league of it's own . tongue.gif

The frightening part is they are serious.


Very glad they are serious and this 'trial' is public and underway. Arguably, far safer than driven lorries because for starters the controlling brain isn't going to be chatting on his mobile, texting his mates or just too tired.

Driverless vehicles, bring it on, sooner the better.
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Posted on: Aug 23 2017, 03:19 PM


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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 23 2017, 09:13 AM) *
Nothing like going off topic wink.gif
Very few will admit to the enjoyment of inflicting pain or killing a living creature but but many do and justify their actions accordingly .
Everything that is born will eventually die , the question is, should this be a natural progression or do we have the right to end it early for the benefit of many ?
The soldier kills an enemy before the enemy kills him and his family . The farmer breeds and subsequently kills a cow to feed his family as hunger will not wait till the animal dies of old age and if that was not the case it wouldn't have been bred in the first place .

Simplistic ? Agreed , but it is a cycle that has been in existence since life began . Those of us who have a moral outrage against such persons as a lion killing dentist or halal slaughtermen ,though in a majority , are forced to accept the status quo .

When most of the world's wildlife has been wiped out and we reflect on what we have done it will be to late ,but those who contributed most to the demise will still have the same mentality .


For me, the pleasure from killing brigade don't enjender moral outrage so much as a natural defence mechanisim that the individuals concerned aren't what I would consider to be well balanced people. So, genuinely, If I'm sitting in a dentists chair, drugged up and waiting for some puny little person tooled up with sharp dentistry kit, the last thing I'd want to know is that he got his kicks killing big game.

Perhaps it's me, but I'd really worry if my partner's riding circle decided to take a pack of underfed dogs with them and then watched whilst they ripped another breed of dog apart, more so if they decided to smother one of their number with its blood.

Still, we've all got our quirks haven't we, so not to worry!
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Posted on: Aug 23 2017, 03:01 PM


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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 23 2017, 12:46 PM) *
Is cruelty real, or just a human construct? Should we worry about being cruel? What difference does it make? Perhaps we are all just bags of transitional energy with a sense of our own over importance?


So we don't need to bother about anything at all, we just exist as best we can s**d everything else until our number is up. Actually, truly Darwinian and quite an attractive proposition.
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Posted on: Aug 23 2017, 06:03 AM


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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 23 2017, 01:28 AM) *
What about industrial farming? What about lamb meat, or £3 chicken, or cold milk for your coffee. All based around exploiting our enjoyment of eating animal produce. And woe betide the butcher who may enjoy his job.

Yes I think recreational hunting is cruel, but I believe our love of eating meat and dairy is too. Something we do on such a scale, it is believed to contribute to global environmental damage.

I don't believe It is humane to kill a healthy creature that doesn't want to die. I certainly wouldn't call it civilised.


I'm sorry but I make a distinction between a soldier who kills in the line of duty and a terrorist; it's essentially the same difference. Arguably comes down to self; is what is being done for self or for and on behalf of others. So, industrial farming, just so I can chisel more profit for me isn't acceptable.
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