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Posted by: Good Boy Racer Jul 13 2009, 09:33 AM

On the 12th July, there was an incident in Thatcham Broadway which attracted 3 police cars, 1 police riot van and an ambulance last night.
This was between (rough estimate), 10 o clock and 11.
Now i know this is new information coming from me and before any NWN journalists write about it but you know, i tend to get out quite a bit and word gets around, thought i would just mention it to see if anyone here noticed anything last night.

Not sure on the victim if he/she (most probably male but lets not be sexist here) is critical in hostpital. But my heart goes out to the victim and the family.

We will just have to wait on the NWN story wont we.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 13 2009, 10:04 AM

That is a great shame if it is true (and I have no reason to believe otherwise). It is not a surprise to me though.

Posted by: Darren Jul 13 2009, 11:31 AM

Nothing on the TVP website or BBC Berkshire

Posted by: Darren Jul 13 2009, 11:31 AM

Nothing on the TVP website or BBC Berkshire

Posted by: nicster09 Jul 13 2009, 01:45 PM

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=10536

Posted by: Good Boy Racer Jul 13 2009, 01:51 PM

What a guess! no im joking, well i never knew it was that hectic, I guess Newbury Today is taking my info from my own thread, eh

Posted by: GMR Jul 13 2009, 06:31 PM

I heard a lot of police cars going along the A4 at about 10.30 last night. They sounded like they were heading towards Thatcham way.

Posted by: Bill1 Jul 13 2009, 06:51 PM

Sounds nasty!

Posted by: Strafin Jul 13 2009, 07:55 PM

It really is. The Kings Head. Awful.

Posted by: Bloggo Jul 14 2009, 07:47 AM

I'm sorry I have to say it but didn't I tell you things will get worse.
Gang knife fights in a Thatcham pub!!!!
Roost, Iommi are you still feeling comfortable about the rise in Yob behaviour in our area?

Posted by: GMR Jul 14 2009, 09:46 AM

What is even more annoying is how the police and courts deal with it.

Posted by: Iommi Jul 14 2009, 09:54 AM

So this has never happened before? AND I NEVER SAID I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH IT, learn to read before you criticise!

Posted by: Bloggo Jul 14 2009, 10:43 AM

Maybe I made a mistake but I don't ever see you asking for tougher action from the Police or the Justice system to start to reverse the growing violent trends on this Forum. You seem to think that as it happens across the country and has happened in the past then it is something we have to accept.
I'm sorry I don't. I think it is wrong and knife crime in Thatcham should not be tolerated or excused.

Posted by: GMR Jul 14 2009, 10:47 AM

I agree totally we seem to be too passive in our attitude to yobs and the polices responses to it. The same goes with the courts.

I think the problem and attitude is that; “It is not happening to me then everything fine.”

They say one of the problems is that we haven’t got enough jails; ok, build more. But just saying we haven’t got enough jails is unacceptable.

Posted by: Bloggo Jul 14 2009, 10:56 AM

Thanks for the support. You make a good point.
I'm glad there are others who are willing to face the reality of how this country is steadily becoming more violent and not have their head in the sand.
There must not be "no-go" areas in Britain and if you are caught carrying a knife, you get 5 years. End of!!!!

Posted by: Iommi Jul 14 2009, 11:01 AM

The fact the jails are filling suggests it don't work... next!

Posted by: Bloggo Jul 14 2009, 11:10 AM

What do you think then, we should bar our windows, lock the doors and allow the thugs to take over and give up.
What you do is bring back Capital punishment for serial killers, child killers and Police killers.
You bring back Corporal punishment for low level offenders.
You make a life sentence mean life and you give long sentences without all the home comforts that prisoners enjoy now to heavy offenders.
It's easy, you make it tough for yobs, thugs and thieves who pray on decent law abidding citizens.
It's called a meaningful deterent.

Posted by: Andrea Jul 14 2009, 11:12 AM

I agree about if you're carrying a knife and it's obvious it's being carried to be used as a weapon, then you should get a lengthy jail term. Anything to do with violence should be given a lengthy jail term!

Jails are getting filled up but that just goes to show that the government isn't doing their job by preventing crime. Harsher sentences will deter people from committing crimes!

Posted by: Bloggo Jul 14 2009, 11:19 AM

Well said Andrea. You obviously see what is happening around you.

Posted by: GMR Jul 14 2009, 11:28 AM

I agree Andrea,

Jails are not there just as a deterrent but to punish. The alternative is not jail them but let them carry on committing crimes. Jails do work; they lock criminals up and that is all you want from jails.

Posted by: GMR Jul 14 2009, 11:29 AM

It is a pity more people didn't.

Posted by: GMR Jul 14 2009, 11:30 AM

Blair came into power with the slogan “tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime” and did nothing. In fact crime has increased under his watch.

Posted by: Bill1 Jul 14 2009, 12:28 PM

I think we've covered this before, but I still think society was heading this way regardless of who was in power. I still say the Tories in the late 70's and up to the mid 90's also have a lot to answer for.

Posted by: Iommi Jul 14 2009, 12:47 PM

Where do you get the facts from, where are your stats?


I don't think you go back far enough. I'd say at least the 60s, after all it was 60s families that bred the late 70/80s families and so on. This is a collective problem, not just a government, or the police, etc...

The fact is, gaols don't stop crime, nor does capital punishment. The fact we hung people and gaoled people means it don't work. By the time they are young adults it is too late. We need to get involved much sooner than that.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 14 2009, 12:52 PM

I'm afraid you cannot blame the Tories for the ills of Society. That does not wash anymore Bill1. And I'm not a Tory. We have an unelected Prime Minister, a mostly unelected Cabinet, massive National debt etc etc etc. In fact thinking about it at least Iran got to have a vote about who they wanted to lead the Country.........

Posted by: Bloggo Jul 14 2009, 01:06 PM

You can make stats tell any story you like but how about these:
Home office figures, 18%rise in drug related crime and a 22%risk of being a victim of crime.
Met Police figure, Rape up by 18%

Your right there has been a steady decline in standards since the 50s. I don't see that as being a reason not to do anything about it now.

I think you are wrong on your last point. It's because we got rid of Capital punishment and allowed shorter prison sentences with more consessions to comfort in prison is why Criminals are not detered.

Posted by: Iommi Jul 14 2009, 01:22 PM

What year is that compared to. I'd be more convinced if someone were to show a trend over decades, then they might have a point.

While there is always a first time, I have lived in Newbury area all my life and I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours in Newbury town. Since the early 80s and in all that, I have never seen a knifing, I have been in a pub when it happened once, but I never saw it. I have seen some fights, usually drunken scraps. The most predictably violet this town gets is when drunken racegoers start.

I have seen a mercifully low rate of violet crime in this town and this is despite being a regular pub goer.

What I have seen a rise in is drunken girls, staggering around the market place at night and I have seen a massive rise in drug usage, but this started to happen way back in 70s.

Another thing I hear a lot about now is inter town aggro. I hear a lot about 'the Reading lot' coming to cause mischief in Newbury.

Forgive me though, nothing I have heard is new, I heard of armed robberies, pub brawls and knifings from since the 70s. The way people carry on suggests they think it is something new.


Show me where I suggested we do nothing? My thoughts are we need to understand why it is happe8ing before we can make things better.


I don't agree with your view on capitol punishment, but I do with your concessions point. Some sentencing is way too soft, but don't think for a second it will 'cure' the problem, it is essentially a sticking plaster. I'm more interested in a cure.

Posted by: GMR Jul 14 2009, 01:31 PM

I get my facts from reading papers such as the Economist, Times, Guardian and watching programmes like the news, news night etc. However, let me throw the question back at you and ask what have you got that contradicts what I said?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 14 2009, 01:31 PM

I don't agree with your view on capitol punishment, but I do with your concessions point. Some sentencing is way too soft, but don't think for a second it will 'cure' the problem, it is essentially a sticking plaster. I'm more interested in a cure.
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You cannot cure some people. They are scum of the earth. End of.

Posted by: GMR Jul 14 2009, 01:33 PM

Yes I have covered this before but not everybody reads all the threads.

You can't blame the Tories for everything; Labour have been in power for 10 years and could have easily sorted things out by now if they wanted to.

Posted by: Bloggo Jul 14 2009, 01:37 PM

Iommi, the figures are a comparison between 2008/2009 but actually the Home office overall figures across the Country show crime to be down 9%. But as I said who's figures do you believe as they can be interpreted in many ways.
You make some interesting points that I appreciate however I think we should agree to disagree as I am more sceptical about the future.
I think the Thatcham event is a wake-up call in my mind and I think it will be the beginning of a new trend in Newbury.
I hope i'm wrong.

Posted by: GMR Jul 14 2009, 01:40 PM

Actually the crime figures are wrong because another report last year showed that people have stopped reporting crimes because the don't expect anything to be done about it.

Posted by: Bloggo Jul 14 2009, 01:55 PM

Yes, you are absoloutly correct. This is now a recognised factor in crime reporting and should be considered when discussing numbers.
Doesn't reflect well on the Police and it's detection success rate.

Posted by: GMR Jul 14 2009, 01:56 PM

The amount of times I've called the police and nothing has happened; I give up.

Posted by: Iommi Jul 14 2009, 02:04 PM

This lies at the thin edge of why we must all do our bit. Report it, even if it is futile, but I suspect that what you are referring to is a reluctance to report low level crime. The point I was trying to make all that time ago is, it is in the media's interest to 'sex-up' crime. Just as it is in the Police's and Government's interest to play it down. For me, I go by what I see.