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post Mar 25 2013, 08:46 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-21923218

As try as I might, I've never caused a blood injury by stabbing someone with a Dorito.

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post Mar 25 2013, 09:18 PM
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It seems the logic of their actions is as follows; if I hit you with a brick in the face the brick should be reshaped/ re-designed and the thrower of the brick should be let off. This is political correctness gone mad. The boy who threw the piece of food should be punished and or expelled. And how is re shaping a piece of food - from a triangle to a square - going to stop injury if it is used as a weapon? I am surprised that this school and or the person who decided to take such action is not hounded out of school for gross stupidity.
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post Mar 25 2013, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 25 2013, 09:18 PM) *
It seems the logic of their actions is as follows; if I hit you with a brick in the face the brick should be reshaped/ re-designed and the thrower of the brick should be let off. This is political correctness gone mad. The boy who threw the piece of food should be punished and or expelled. And how is re shaping a piece of food - from a triangle to a square - going to stop injury if it is used as a weapon? I am surprised that this school and or the person who decided to take such action is not hounded out of school for gross stupidity.
This isn't political correctness.
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post Mar 25 2013, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Mar 25 2013, 09:22 PM) *
This isn't political correctness.

'elf n' safety.
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post Mar 25 2013, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Mar 25 2013, 09:22 PM) *
This isn't political correctness.

Always the establishment apologist, eh User? wink.gif


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post Mar 25 2013, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Mar 25 2013, 09:26 PM) *
Always the establishment apologist, eh User? wink.gif

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To be honest this is a complete non-story.
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post Mar 25 2013, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2013, 09:24 PM) *
'elf n' safety.

Exactly so. Only no systematic risk assessment and post-accident investigation would ban triangular food.

Being hit in the eye with food thrown in a food fight does pose a risk of eye-injury, but banning all hard-edged food isn't going to be a reasonable or proportionate mitigation. If stuff is being thrown in the canteen then that's the problem to solve. And as I understand it it's only the triangular flapjacks that are banned, the square ones are fine - as if a 45 degree angle is going to make any difference.

So once again we have knuckle-dragging administroids failing to use the sense they were born with and humiliating themselves in the public media while Health and Safety culture is lampooned. I'd hope it was just a spoof, but it really seems to have happened.

It would all be a good laugh, but you will still find workmen up and down the country using power tools on building sites and in workshops, and probably more so in home DIY, without their eye-protection because to them 'elf n' safety is all a big joke.


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post Mar 25 2013, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Mar 25 2013, 09:48 PM) *
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To be honest this is a complete non-story.

You're right, it is, but I see a lot of health-and-safety bashing and it really damages what should be a positive attitude to health and safety in the workplace, and that's something that I care about.


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post Mar 25 2013, 10:06 PM
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The thing to be banned should be poor dinner time supervision! School boys have a natural tendency to fight, indeed throw things. What actually kept us semi civilised at least was a long thin thing kept by a bad tempered deputy head. That and some refined humiliation. All fully supported by my and other mothers.


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post Mar 25 2013, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 25 2013, 09:18 PM) *
It seems the logic of their actions is as follows; if I hit you with a brick in the face the brick should be reshaped/ re-designed and the thrower of the brick should be let off. This is political correctness gone mad. The boy who threw the piece of food should be punished and or expelled. And how is re shaping a piece of food - from a triangle to a square - going to stop injury if it is used as a weapon? I am surprised that this school and or the person who decided to take such action is not hounded out of school for gross stupidity.




An expulsion for throwing food? laugh.gif

Why are you at home today Tommy? I stabbed a kid in the face with a protractor.
Hey little Danny, why are you at home today? I called the teacher a hooker.
Hey little Billy, why are you at home? I threw a popsicle at Kevin.

Surely though a square is 4 times more dangerous than a triangle, because a triangle has 3 sharp corners and a square or rectangle has 4. That surely means that one has higher likelyhood of being hit with an acute angle than one does with a triangle?


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post Mar 25 2013, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Mar 25 2013, 10:10 PM) *
An expulsion for throwing food? laugh.gif

Why are you at home today Tommy? I stabbed a kid in the face with a protractor.
Hey little Danny, why are you at home today? I called the teacher a hooker.
Hey little Billy, why are you at home? I threw a popsicle at Kevin.

Surely though a square is 4 times more dangerous than a triangle, because a triangle has 3 sharp corners and a square or rectangle has 4. That surely means that one has higher likelyhood of being hit with an acute angle than one does with a triangle?

No because a square doesn't have any acute angles.
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post Mar 25 2013, 10:51 PM
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I can see the logic - things that are less pointy do less damage. Unless the school cooks are making flapjacks so badly they can be classed as blunt instruments.
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post Mar 26 2013, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Mar 25 2013, 10:10 PM) *
An expulsion for throwing food? laugh.gif

Why are you at home today Tommy? I stabbed a kid in the face with a protractor.
Hey little Danny, why are you at home today? I called the teacher a hooker.
Hey little Billy, why are you at home? I threw a popsicle at Kevin.

Surely though a square is 4 times more dangerous than a triangle, because a triangle has 3 sharp corners and a square or rectangle has 4. That surely means that one has higher likelyhood of being hit with an acute angle than one does with a triangle?


Punishments fitting crimes; the situation should not have arisen in the first place! So answering your questions

- I'm at home because I was violently aggressive and out of control.
- I'm at home because I have a foul mouth and was using abusive language and out of control
- I'm at home because when I can't get my own way I just get angry and can't be controlled
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- Mum, you've got to help me, stop saying I'm perfect and slagging off the teachers when they show me where I'm going wrong.
- Mum, I get frightened that all I'll be fit for when I leave school is gaol.

Blaming the cook is inane. A bit like a Magistrate letting you off not seeing road signs stopping you driving over a bridge because you've just had a McDonalds orange squash full of e numbers and then banning orange squash sales!


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post Mar 26 2013, 09:08 AM
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But children will be children, OTE. There is a line drawn between violent or abusive behavior (which needs to be repeated over a long period of time) and "being a child" behaviour.

Of which throwing a bit of food is classed as childish behavior. It's not always the parents fault, kids do develop on their own you might be surprised to hear. You can have the best parents in the world and the kid can still turn out bad.



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post Mar 26 2013, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Mar 26 2013, 09:08 AM) *
But children will be children, OTE. There is a line drawn between violent or abusive behavior (which needs to be repeated over a long period of time) and "being a child" behaviour.

Of which throwing a bit of food is classed as childish behavior. It's not always the parents fault, kids do develop on their own you might be surprised to hear. You can have the best parents in the world and the kid can still turn out bad.

\wholly agree and I'm a living example. Banning 'triangular flapjack' is just someone PC head teacher being a silly a***, in all probasbility to cover their own ineptitude. All that this does (as said before) is take the real goodness out of health and safety.

Even without triangular flapjack, us schoolboys would have found other things to throw or hammer with - table leg for instance!


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post Mar 26 2013, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Mar 25 2013, 10:10 PM) *
Surely though a square is 4 times more dangerous than a triangle, because a triangle has 3 sharp corners and a square or rectangle has 4. That surely means that one has higher likelyhood of being hit with an acute angle than one does with a triangle?
How does going from three corners to four make something four times as dangerous?

Surely it's 75% more dangerous?
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post Mar 26 2013, 02:40 PM
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Or 25%
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post Mar 26 2013, 02:53 PM
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Catering staff at the school have been told only to serve square or rectangular flapjacks.

In the interests of pedantry, when was a square not rectangular?
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post Mar 26 2013, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Mar 26 2013, 02:53 PM) *
In the interests of pedantry, when was a square not rectangular?

When a rectangle is not a rhombus! tongue.gif
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post Mar 26 2013, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Mar 25 2013, 10:10 PM) *
An expulsion for throwing food? laugh.gif

Why are you at home today Tommy? I stabbed a kid in the face with a protractor.
Hey little Danny, why are you at home today? I called the teacher a hooker.
Hey little Billy, why are you at home? I threw a popsicle at Kevin.

Surely though a square is 4 times more dangerous than a triangle, because a triangle has 3 sharp corners and a square or rectangle has 4. That surely means that one has higher likelyhood of being hit with an acute angle than one does with a triangle?




This isn't just about throwing food but about discipline and controlling kids. According to one paper this was deliberate attack; if that is case then it is assault. A recent report says that today more and more kids are out of control, with no discipline. All you have to look at your jokey comment to see what is wrong with society.
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