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post Sep 28 2009, 08:09 AM
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I thought it must be April 1st but I have now read two articles in which it is stated that the Police will no longer respond to incidents of ASB as it is designated as being the responsibility of the Local Authority.
What the **** is going on!!!!
Would one of our Police members like to comment? Is it really true?
I find this incredulous if true. What number do you call when Yobbos are scratching your car or throwing eggs at your windows. Who will actually turn out to stop it while it's happening?
This will push more people into taking the law into their own hands.


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post Sep 28 2009, 08:13 AM
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Not sure on this but I seem to remember reading that this has been the policy since 1998. unsure.gif
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post Sep 28 2009, 08:26 AM
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I believe that it is down to each individual Police Authority as to their stance on anti-social behaviour.

I think you will be pleased that TVP will and DO respond to anti-social behaviour and take it very seriously.

Please see the attached link http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/pub-sear...ocial+Behaviour

Despite what other people on here have said TVP are a good and effective Police Authority who try hard to do what the public want. Their performance statistics show that they are consistantly performing at or above the required levels.

I am not however a Police Officer so I would also be interested in their views on this matter.
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post Sep 28 2009, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE (Chesapeake @ Sep 28 2009, 09:26 AM) *
I believe that it is down to each individual Police Authority as to their stance on anti-social behaviour.

I think you will be pleased that TVP will and DO respond to anti-social behaviour and take it very seriously.

Please see the attached link http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/pub-sear...ocial+Behaviour

Despite what other people on here have said TVP are a good and effective Police Authority who try hard to do what the public want. Their performance statistics show that they are consistantly performing at or above the required levels.

I am not however a Police Officer so I would also be interested in their views on this matter.

Thanks for that, I am reassured that at least our Force are still looking out for us regarding ASB.
Bit of a worry though as these sort of ideas tend to be justified as legitimate cut backs when Government funding gets difficult.


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post Sep 28 2009, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE (Chesapeake @ Sep 28 2009, 09:26 AM) *
I believe that it is down to each individual Police Authority as to their stance on anti-social behaviour.

I think you will be pleased that TVP will and DO respond to anti-social behaviour and take it very seriously.

Please see the attached link http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/pub-sear...ocial+Behaviour

Despite what other people on here have said TVP are a good and effective Police Authority who try hard to do what the public want. Their performance statistics show that they are consistantly performing at or above the required levels.

I am not however a Police Officer so I would also be interested in their views on this matter.



I agree it down to individual police commanders. There was a documentary on PCSO's and he was saying about procedure that is is down to the individual police force how they go about their business. Some counties have a no tolerance policy towards Anti social behaviour and others just as the main poster suggested.
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post Sep 28 2009, 11:34 AM
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Did you read the daily Mail report by chance?

I think the report was out of context to what was actually meant, albeit I cannot comment on that because I didnt say it.

Yes call the police for ASB, but I think what was meant was the long term issues, i.e neighbours who don't get on, people whos children run riot around the estate etc should also have involvement from the council.

I know that West Berkshire council have done a lot of work in the Newbury area moving family's that cause no end of greif to their areas. I think this is how the comments are meant.
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post Sep 28 2009, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Sep 28 2009, 12:34 PM) *
Did you read the daily Mail report by chance?

I think the report was out of context to what was actually meant, albeit I cannot comment on that because I didnt say it.

Yes call the police for ASB, but I think what was meant was the long term issues, i.e neighbours who don't get on, people whos children run riot around the estate etc should also have involvement from the council.

I know that West Berkshire council have done a lot of work in the Newbury area moving family's that cause no end of greif to their areas. I think this is how the comments are meant.

Hi Ossy, yes it was the Mail and I have seen two separate stories.
I know the Mail can be controversial but I am not seeing any puplic contradiction, explanation or denial by a Police representative which is why I raised the issue.
But thanks for the above and I understand.


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post Sep 28 2009, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Sep 28 2009, 12:34 PM) *
Did you read the daily Mail report by chance?

I think the report was out of context to what was actually meant, albeit I cannot comment on that because I didnt say it.

Yes call the police for ASB, but I think what was meant was the long term issues, i.e neighbours who don't get on, people whos children run riot around the estate etc should also have involvement from the council.

I know that West Berkshire council have done a lot of work in the Newbury area moving family's that cause no end of greif to their areas. I think this is how the comments are meant.


I bet there's a **** of an internal investigation going on though don't you Ossy1?
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post Sep 28 2009, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Sep 28 2009, 12:50 PM) *
Hi Ossy, yes it was the Mail and I have seen two separate stories.
I know the Mail can be controversial but I am not seeing any puplic contradiction, explanation or denial by a Police representative which is why I raised the issue.
But thanks for the above and I understand.



It is certainly true that the papers can lie (they all do it) but if they say something that isn't true (but also gets the backs up of their readership) shouldn't they be suing the paper for misleading the public. After all they got a code of conduct (i.e. the papers) .
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post Sep 28 2009, 03:48 PM
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Could someone explain to me in words of one syllable what the blankety blank use is re-locating problems families .

Wherever they live they are going to be a nuisance , so why inflict suffering on to others , surely the answer is to have them put down . ( Bit like an uncontrollable dog ). Bet we wouldn't get to much trouble then , which would prove that they can control their actions but they choose not to because it's to easy .

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post Sep 28 2009, 04:19 PM
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As far as I know, they don't move them as such.

If evicted for ASB, they are considered to have made themself homeless and local authorities are under no obligation to re-house them anywhere in the UK.

Of course that does pose the question "Where do we move to...", but that their fault.
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post Sep 28 2009, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Sep 28 2009, 02:28 PM) *
It is certainly true that the papers can lie (they all do it) but if they say something that isn't true (but also gets the backs up of their readership) shouldn't they be suing the paper for misleading the public. After all they got a code of conduct (i.e. the papers) .



I don't think it's a lie, rather a reword of the original statement. After all putting a few catchy words on the front page does make people buy!!

As for not seeing any of the public contradiction or response from the police 1) public never contradict bad press, and the daily mail certainly don't print to much of it. (they never publish my comments)!!! and 2) It is rare that the police actually stick up for themselves it just goes over our heads and we keep on banging our heads against the wall!

Lordtup, sometimes neighbour problems are just down to a clash of personality, if moved they can get on well with their new neighbours and live a peacful life!!
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post Sep 28 2009, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Sep 28 2009, 08:02 PM) *
I don't think it's a lie, rather a reword of the original statement. After all putting a few catchy words on the front page does make people buy!!

As for not seeing any of the public contradiction or response from the police 1) public never contradict bad press, and the daily mail certainly don't print to much of it. (they never publish my comments)!!! and 2) It is rare that the police actually stick up for themselves it just goes over our heads and we keep on banging our heads against the wall!

Lordtup, sometimes neighbour problems are just down to a clash of personality, if moved they can get on well with their new neighbours and live a peacful life!!


OK, thanks for that.
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post Sep 29 2009, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Sep 28 2009, 08:02 PM) *
I don't think it's a lie, rather a reword of the original statement. After all putting a few catchy words on the front page does make people buy!!

As for not seeing any of the public contradiction or response from the police 1) public never contradict bad press, and the daily mail certainly don't print to much of it. (they never publish my comments)!!! and 2) It is rare that the police actually stick up for themselves it just goes over our heads and we keep on banging our heads against the wall!

Lordtup, sometimes neighbour problems are just down to a clash of personality, if moved they can get on well with their new neighbours and live a peacful life!!

I know it's not your Force and so I guess you may not want to comment but the article, in the Mail again, about the Police failing to respond to 33 calls for help by the lady who killed herself and her daughter is pretty damning and supported by the roasting that the Police's council got at the inquest.
There does seem to be a consistent theme of no reponse to ASB issues emerging.


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post Sep 29 2009, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Sep 29 2009, 08:53 AM) *
I know it's not your Force and so I guess you may not want to comment but the article, in the Mail again, about the Police failing to respond to 33 calls for help by the lady who killed herself and her daughter is pretty damning and supported by the roasting that the Police's council got at the inquest.
There does seem to be a consistent theme of no reponse to ASB issues emerging.



I spend more time dealing with ASB than anything else, some times a feel a bit sorry for the kids really. People complain they are playing football?? I'm sure some folk would have them locked in cages until they got to middle age!!
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post Sep 29 2009, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Sep 29 2009, 09:26 AM) *
I spend more time dealing with ASB than anything else, some times a feel a bit sorry for the kids really. People complain they are playing football?? I'm sure some folk would have them locked in cages until they got to middle age!!

Yes, I understand however the level of ASB that I am bringing here is not kids playing football.
Incidentally if kids were playing football in my street I would complain as not only would kicking the ball inadvertantly against the cars in the street possibly damage them the kids also stand the risk of getting run over.


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post Sep 29 2009, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Sep 29 2009, 09:26 AM) *
I spend more time dealing with ASB than anything else, some times a feel a bit sorry for the kids really. People complain they are playing football?? I'm sure some folk would have them locked in cages until they got to middle age!!



I agree that people over react but isn't that usually a product of fear? Fear of the reputation of those that actually are bad. We can see this in other areas; English football hooligans, Muslims bombers, Christian extremists extra. The few tarnish the rest. But saying that there is a real serious problem with yobs and anti social behaviour. So much so that I believe - according to the radio - that when Brown gives his speech today at the conference he is mainly going to talk about anti-social behaviour and how to deal with it.

Hopefully - but sadly - this women's death (including her daughters) will make this government sit up and take notice. After all Blair did come into power saying "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" and then brought in the European Human Rights laws to protect the yobs, rather than the innocent (and that is how it has come over in most cases, not all, but most).
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post Sep 29 2009, 09:23 AM
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[quote name='GMR' date='Sep 29 2009, 10:19 AM' post='9627']
[font="Century Gothic"]I agree that people over react but isn't that usually a product of fear? Fear of the reputation of those that actually are bad. We can see this in other areas; English football hooligans, Muslims bombers, Christian extremists extra. The few tarnish the rest. But saying that there is a real serious problem with yobs and anti social behaviour. So much so that I believe - according to the radio - that when Brown gives his speech today at the conference he is mainly going to talk about anti-social behaviour and how to deal with it.

In some cases fear but mostly intolerance.
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post Sep 29 2009, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Sep 29 2009, 10:19 AM) *
I agree that people over react but isn't that usually a product of fear? Fear of the reputation of those that actually are bad. We can see this in other areas; English football hooligans, Muslims bombers, Christian extremists extra. The few tarnish the rest. But saying that there is a real serious problem with yobs and anti social behaviour. So much so that I believe - according to the radio - that when Brown gives his speech today at the conference he is mainly going to talk about anti-social behaviour and how to deal with it.

Hopefully - but sadly - this women's death (including her daughters) will make this government sit up and take notice. After all Blair did come into power saying "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" and then brought in the European Human Rights laws to protect the yobs, rather than the innocent (and that is how it has come over in most cases, not all, but most).

I think it is too late for Gordon Brown and this bankrupt government to start to take notice of what the people of this Country have been asking for. They have missed the boat due to their support of the party and it's members above the needs and concerns of the people and the Country.
Speeches supporting stronger deterents for ASB and control of Yobs will be too little, too late as far as I am concerned.


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post Sep 29 2009, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Sep 29 2009, 10:23 AM) *
In some cases fear but mostly intolerance.



True... but there still a problem and it needs sorting out.
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