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Mar 20 2015, 07:17 PM
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Howdy all, Sorry I was only on for one day (after joining this splendid forum), unfortunately I had my grandchildren to look after and plus my leg was playing up. But back now to the debate.
Did anyone see that story in our local paper about the chap who was fined £150 for the release of his car, he was wrongly charged with driving with no insurance? I think the chap is called Adrian Dale. He was in that notorious area of Newbury, Turnpike Estate, the Gaywood Drive that goes through that area. I think the time was early hours of the morning so the police obviously thought that nobody could be doing any good driving cars at that hour of the morning. Anyway, the chap was innocent. The police no doubt muddled by that infamous area. The police are now refusing to give him his money back. This isn’t on. Not only that but it sends out a message that the cops are only in it to make money for their employers. They should remember that they are there to serve society, not the other way around. In my day of the Dixon of dock green police officers they couldn’t have be more helpful and if they had made a mistake they were quick to rectify it. That is the way it should be. Nowadays they have all sorts of schemes to get money. Speed cameras, camera cars, secret cameras etc. It has become a moneymaking business, rather than a police force to serve us and keep us safe.
The other think that surprises me was that they have sophisticated systems that can tell whether one has insurance or a licence. So how did it go so wrong? Were they so fearful of their situation – being on Turnpike at that time of morning – that they rushed it and thought Mr Dale was suspicious enough to be out that time that they would book him and allow others to sort out the mess? Whatever the answer is, it is not on for the police to behave in this way.
I suppose I have two questions here. Should the police refund this wronged man and shouldn’t they get their facts right before jumping, no matter what the hostility of the area is?
Don
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Mar 20 2015, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (Don @ Mar 20 2015, 07:17 PM) I suppose I have two questions here. Should the police refund this wronged man and shouldn’t they get their facts right before jumping, no matter what the hostility of the area is? It's difficult to know what actually happened isn't it. I understand that the police can seize a vehicle if they have reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle is being driven without insurance, and you have to pay the recovery costs whether or not you actually had insurance. That sounds tough, but I also understand that the police need to have warned you previously (like some other day, and a different officer) that they might subsequently seize the vehicle and that gives you the opportunity to keep your insurance certificate in the glove box, and to put right the problem with your insurance details not appearing on the national insurance database. So it is possible to have your vehicle seized even though you have insurance, and you will have to pay the release fee, but you will have had fair warning so little scope to complain, and if the police exceeded their powers you'd have a strong complaint with the IPCC. So there's just not enough facts in this story to know what's what.
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Mar 20 2015, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 20 2015, 07:51 PM) I somehow think we don't have possession of all the facts and the police were certainly no Dixon of Dock Green in the old days. I think they have never been so accountable as they are now. All that being said, on the face of it, I am astounded that they are not refunding the man. What facts do you want? They were wrong so should give the money back. As for the "old days," they were respected more in those days than they are today. As for a "notorious" area that made me laugh, he doesn't know the half of it. Not everything gets reported that happens in Turnpike.
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Mar 20 2015, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 20 2015, 07:55 PM) What facts do you want? They were wrong so should give the money back. I doubted we have all the facts, and still do. I try not to take things in the media at face value. QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 20 2015, 07:55 PM) As for the "old days," they were respected more in those days than they are today. Cobblers, they may have been more feared, but just imagine the corruption that is evident from back then. Rose tinted stuff I fear. QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 20 2015, 07:55 PM) As for a "notorious" area that made me laugh, he doesn't know the half of it. Not everything gets reported that happens in Turnpike. As is the same elsewhere.
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Mar 20 2015, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 20 2015, 07:59 PM) I doubted we have all the facts, and still do. I try not to take things in the media at face value. I agree. QUOTE Cobblers, they may have been more feared, but just imagine the corruption that is evident from back then. Rose tinted stuff I fear. Not at all. Of course they were feared and corrupt, but that wasn't what I said. I said they were more respected by the public than they are today. QUOTE As is the same elsewhere. True.
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Mar 20 2015, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 20 2015, 08:04 PM) Not at all. Of course they were feared and corrupt, but that wasn't what I said. I said they were more respected by the public than they are today. In what context? The implication was that the public respected the police for being honest and trustworthy. My argument is that it was sometimes a misplaced trust.
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Mar 20 2015, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 20 2015, 08:22 PM) In what context? The implication was that the public respected the police for being honest and trustworthy. My argument is that it was sometimes a misplaced trust. Of course it was misplaced trust, who said it wasn't? But I suppose you could argue that back then people were more naïve and the press weren't as vigorous as they are today.
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Mar 20 2015, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 20 2015, 08:25 PM) Of course it was misplaced trust, who said it wasn't? But I suppose you could argue that back then people were more naïve and the press weren't as vigorous as they are today. Yes, that is what I said, in a different way, but now I don't understand what your 'respect' point was.
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Mar 20 2015, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 20 2015, 08:25 PM) Of course it was misplaced trust, who said it wasn't? But I suppose you could argue that back then people were more naïve and the press weren't as vigorous as they are today. Certainly was, as the people in the West Midlands found out! Soho used to be quite an attraction too...yeah, and back then you 'ad good honest criminals too...
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Mar 21 2015, 06:48 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Mar 20 2015, 08:55 PM) Are there really "no go" areas in Newbury? If there are is it the fault of the police?
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Mar 21 2015, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 21 2015, 06:48 AM) If there are is it the fault of the police? In the strictest sense of the phrase no, they're caused by people thinking they can't go to a particular area, for whatever reason. Some of this is because of media coverage. Take the comments in this video, about Birmingham, for example.
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Mar 21 2015, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Mar 21 2015, 01:08 PM) In the strictest sense of the phrase no, they're caused by people thinking they can't go to a particular area, for whatever reason. Some of this is because of media coverage. Take the comments in this video, about Birmingham, for example. I'm getting worried User23, another of your postings I agree with!
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