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> Nigel Farage to stand as UKIP's candidate in Newbury?
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post Apr 29 2014, 04:58 PM
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Well, no, but I shuddered slightly when I read this from Norman Smith, one of the BBC's political correspondents.

https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/461185129181093888

Thankfully he meant Newark: had visions of it being impossible to walk along Northbrook Street without being assaulted by TV crews looking for vox pops, although I suppose they could have interviewed the chuggers.


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post Apr 29 2014, 10:28 PM
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I would vote UKIP if I was going to vote.

I'm not so it's largely irrelevant.

He's the least "tosser-ish" of the current batch of MPs.


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post Apr 30 2014, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 29 2014, 11:28 PM) *
I would vote UKIP if I was going to vote.

I'm not so it's largely irrelevant.

Well, that's a good thing, then. But it's more important that those who don't support UKIP get out and vote in the forthcoming Euro elections however uninterested they are, otherwise UKIP gets a free ride.
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post Apr 30 2014, 08:37 AM
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In your opinion.
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Andy Capp
post Apr 30 2014, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 30 2014, 09:26 AM) *
Well, that's a good thing, then. But it's more important that those who don't support UKIP get out and vote in the forthcoming Euro elections however uninterested they are, otherwise UKIP gets a free ride.

Well hitherto the EU has had a politcal free ride; it is about time it came under pressure to reform and that is how I see the value in parites like UKIP.
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post Apr 30 2014, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 30 2014, 11:11 AM) *
Well hitherto the EU has had a politcal free ride; it is about time it came under pressure to reform and that is how I see the value in parites like UKIP.


UKIP has the worst voting and attendance record of ANY party in the European Parliament. Difficult to see how that's going to help change Europe politically, and didn't they just vote against a Ivory Trade clampdown?

As for the Bye-Election, well at the last Election Farage was beaten by a man dressed as a dolphin, perhaps that's why he seems to have bottled this opportunity.
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post Apr 30 2014, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Apr 30 2014, 11:52 AM) *
UKIP has the worst voting and attendance record of ANY party in the European Parliament. Difficult to see how that's going to help change Europe politically, and didn't they just vote against a Ivory Trade clampdown?

As for the Bye-Election, well at the last Election Farage was beaten by a man dressed as a dolphin, perhaps that's why he seems to have bottled this opportunity.

What UKIP do, just by their own existance, is bring arguments to the debate that the other parites would like to avoid. It could be said that the use of UKIP is akin to a pressure group.
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post Apr 30 2014, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 30 2014, 01:03 PM) *
What UKIP do, just by their own existance, is bring arguments to the debate that the other parites would like to avoid. It could be said that the use of UKIP is akin to a pressure group.


Exactly.



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post Apr 30 2014, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Apr 30 2014, 11:52 AM) *
As for the Bye-Election, well at the last Election Farage was beaten by a man dressed as a dolphin, perhaps that's why he seems to have bottled this opportunity.

Was it a bottlenose dolphin? tongue.gif
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post Apr 30 2014, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 30 2014, 03:28 PM) *
Was it a bottlenose dolphin? tongue.gif

Very good.
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post Apr 30 2014, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 29 2014, 10:28 PM) *
He's the least "tosser-ish" of the current batch of MPs.
He's not an MP, he's an MEP.

Here's an interesting stat showing how much "loyalty" each party has.
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post Apr 30 2014, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 30 2014, 07:21 PM) *

It might be interesting if I knew what it was trying to tell me!
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post Apr 30 2014, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 30 2014, 01:03 PM) *
What UKIP do, just by their own existance, is bring arguments to the debate that the other parites would like to avoid.


Nah, let's be honest, what UKIP do is pander to the racists, xenophobes, and just plain ignorant. People who either can't be bothered to look up the full facts or are too daft to understand what's really going on. Forget the Daily Mail reader profile, UKIP now has the lead in 'dog-whistle' racism (as it's known in the States). Few people will vote for them because of their policy on bankers bonuses, civil partnerships, deficit and debt plans, fox hunting or fishing quotas.
Farage has been cultivating the Barclay brothers as backers, and with their help, he will doubtless move onwards and upwards.
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post Apr 30 2014, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Apr 30 2014, 08:18 PM) *
Nah, let's be honest, what UKIP do is pander to the racists, xenophobes, and just plain ignorant. People who either can't be bothered to look up the full facts or are too daft to understand what's really going on.

I don't think that description stops at UKIP supporters to be honest. While I wouldn't want to see UKIP in power, nor do I believe they ever will be, but I resent how our politcal leders have lead us in a direction stamping roughshod over the democratic process in doing so.

The recent EU debate with Nick Clegg should have been a piece of cake, but the Lib Dem was just short of vacuous and pathetic. Although both sides were guilty of just trotting out half truths and rhetoric.
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post Apr 30 2014, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 30 2014, 07:54 PM) *
It might be interesting if I knew what it was trying to tell me!

I'm guessing it is showing how loyal each UK party is to the larger pan-EU grouping it has joined in the EU parliamnet. Showing that UKIP go their own way pretty much all the time, regardless of any agreement they may have with the larger group.

In some ways an attractive trait and one that supports their general stance. However, it also shows how unlreliable they would be as a partner in any coalition.

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post May 1 2014, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Apr 30 2014, 08:18 PM) *
Nah, let's be honest, what UKIP do is pander to the racists, xenophobes, and just plain ignorant. People who either can't be bothered to look up the full facts or are too daft to understand what's really going on. Forget the Daily Mail reader profile, UKIP now has the lead in 'dog-whistle' racism (as it's known in the States). Few people will vote for them because of their policy on bankers bonuses, civil partnerships, deficit and debt plans, fox hunting or fishing quotas.
Farage has been cultivating the Barclay brothers as backers, and with their help, he will doubtless move onwards and upwards.



Um... I'm neither racist nor xenophobic

you won't see me complaining about the "muslim ban" on bacon at subway.
nor going "bloody foreigners stealing or jobs"

i just want us out of the eu.

plus as i said, he's the least tossers of whatever sort of politician he is (i couldn't really care what kind to be honest).


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post May 1 2014, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ May 1 2014, 01:47 AM) *
you won't see me complaining about the "muslim ban" on bacon at subway.

What??!!
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post May 1 2014, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ May 1 2014, 01:47 AM) *
he's the least tossers of whatever sort of politician he is


Wtf does this even mean?
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post May 1 2014, 10:02 AM
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All politicians are stuck up pricks. It just varies how much
I think Farage is the one of the less stuck up ones.


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post May 1 2014, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ May 1 2014, 09:32 AM) *
What??!!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-26...Halal-meat.html


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