Corbyn, This is democracy!!!! Options

[Simon Kirby]

Vote Jezza! We can all then stop work and live off the state. Stuff the next generation. Lets run up 1000 trillion in debt. Dont like this austerity nonsense. Free money for everyone!!

I support Corbyn, and that"s not at all how I see it.

I'm perfectly aware that the state has no money of its own and that the money it spends is the money it collects from us in taxes of one kind or another. What I have asked for consistently is that the state should spend that tax where the need is greatest and where it can do the most good. So for example I want to see a fully-funded National Health Service and a state pension that you can live on. However, virtually the whole of the politically-engaged establishment across the whole of the political spectrum have substantial private pensions and can easily afford private medical insurance and they don't want to be taxed to pay for some poor schlob who didn't do as well in life as they did and so they've sold you this line about "austerity" and how the world is going to hull in a hand cart because of the drain on the tax-payer of such things as libraries, public toilets, and adult mental health services, and yet you still believe the lie even when those state functionaries spend £thousands on robes, regalia, and ceremony while they slash essential public services.

[Turin Machine]

Marxist claptrap.

[JeffG]

Marxist claptrap.

You closet socialist, you!

[On the edge]

Marxist claptrap.

Sorry to tell you Turin Machine, that response doesn't compute.

[je suis Charlie]

I'm happy, the Labour party has just made itself unelectable for the foreseeable future! Happy days! Now can make the pips squeak.

[On the edge]

I'm happy, the Labour party has just made itself unelectable for the foreseeable future! Happy days! Now can make the pips squeak.

That's good then! Young master will be happy too; so finish your pint and back to work or you'll find you won't have any. Come on, chop, chop...

[TallDarkAndHands...]

I'm happy, the Labour party has just made itself unelectable for the foreseeable future! Happy days! Now can make the pips squeak.

They were unelectable anyway. Now just a fringe party like the greens. UKIP may get more votes at the next GE.

[On the edge]

They were unelectable anyway. Now just a fringe party like the greens. UKIP may get more votes at the next GE.

Don't you think we'll exit then?

If Brexit means Brexit, what are UKIP voting for? Independence from Scotland?

The secret is in the title

[Turin Machine]

"There is the horrible — the really disquieting — prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words 'Socialism' and 'Communism' draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist, and feminist in England"

George Orwell.

[Turin Machine]

Don't you think we'll exit then?

If Brexit means Brexit, what are UKIP voting for? Independence from Scotland?

The secret is in the title

It's the only logical choice, if not you have to choose between the Trot's or project fear Tories. And at least UKIP made good on their promises.

[On the edge]

It's the only logical choice, if not you have to choose between the Trot's or project fear Tories. And at least UKIP made good on their promises.

Yes, I agree right now UKIP = job done. So what are they proposing now? Farrage was saying they are attracting the Labour vote so they must be appealing to the semi Trots at least. Then, if you take a studious approach, go right back to UKIPs founder, who was a real old fashioned liberal like Mrs Thatcher. They don't even seem to line up behind their only MP a rift which makes Labours look like a Sunday School,squabble. What ever the troubles in the other parties, UKIP seems even more at sea! Try as I might, I can't see any future for a party with no direction at all.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Yes, I agree right now UKIP = job done. So what are they proposing now? Farrage was saying they are attracting the Labour vote so they must be appealing to the semi Trots at least. Then, if you take a studious approach, go right back to UKIPs founder, who was a real old fashioned liberal like Mrs Thatcher. They don't even seem to line up behind their only MP a rift which makes Labours look like a Sunday School,squabble. What ever the troubles in the other parties, UKIP seems even more at sea! Try as I might, I can't see any future for a party with no direction at all.

They could well end up the protest vote party and win lots if by elections. A bit like the liberals...

[JeffG]

They could well end up the protest vote party and win lots if by elections. A bit like the liberals...

I know you mean Liberal as a shortened version of Liberal Democrats, but there used to be a distinctly separate Liberal party. Does anyone know if it still exists, or did it go the same way as the SDP?

[Simon Kirby]

... at least UKIP made good on their promises.

Though not the one about the NHS obviously, and that thing about maintaining access to the single market while limiting freedom of movement, how's that going?


UKIP - taking back their promises.

[On the edge]

I know you mean Liberal as a shortened version of Liberal Democrats, but there used to be a distinctly separate Liberal party. Does anyone know if it still exists, or did it go the same way as the SDP?

Yes, in spirit at least. It is actually a breakaway from the LibDems started in the early 1980s by An MP who wasn't happy with the SDP policies which he thought were in the ascendant. It's still there but only just! It still espouses real liberalisim though, so wholly unlike the LibDems.

[On the edge]

They could well end up the protest vote party and win lots if by elections. A bit like the liberals...

Fine, but because no one knows what they stand for anymore, it's more an 'I don't know' vote than a protest surely?

[On the edge]

"There is the horrible — the really disquieting — prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words 'Socialism' and 'Communism' draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist, and feminist in England"

George Orwell.

That's exactly how LibDem conferences were described by certain disgruntled Liberal members at the start of the SDP merge. Ironic really!

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Fine, but because no one knows what they stand for anymore, it's more an 'I don't know' vote than a protest surely?

90% of the electorate dont know what they are voting for.... I sometimes wonder myself!

[Turin Machine]

Though not the one about the NHS obviously, and that thing about maintaining access to the single market while limiting freedom of movement, how's that going?


UKIP - taking back their promises.

And ridding the party of anti Semitism, hows that going Simon?

[On the edge]

90% of the electorate dont know what they are voting for.... I sometimes wonder myself!

Aaah, so then, the Remainers were right then. The UKIP voters really didn't know what the referendum was all about!

UKIP is beginning to look remarkably like Oswald Moseley's New Party meanderings back in the 1930s. First Conservative, then Labour, then Fascist.

Still, not to worry, who buys anything from an empty shop?